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DemocratSinceBirth

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Tue Mar 29, 2022, 09:47 AM Mar 2022

The Two Americas Debating Will Smith and Chris Rock [View all]

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I was on an overnight flight from Los Angeles to New York City during the Academy Awards, so at first I didn’t see the Will Smith–Chris Rock fiasco that sent America into a complete tizzy. But when I was finally able to turn on my cellphone, I had 653 text messages.

Six hundred and fifty-three.

By now, you’ve probably seen multiple videos and angles of Smith slapping Rock. Right before the comedian presented the Oscar for Best Documentary, Rock joked offhand that he was looking forward to seeing Smith’s wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, in G.I. Jane 2. Rock was referring to Jada’s bald head. The problem with the joke is that Jada has been open about having alopecia, an autoimmune disorder that commonly results in significant hair loss. When the cameras panned to her, her expression showed that she was not at all pleased with Rock’s barb. Moments later, Smith walked onstage and smacked Rock in the face.

While I was on the plane, my group-text threads exploded with a lot of jokes, and a lot of stunned reactions. Most of my 653 texts, I should note, came from Black folks. A lot of them, both men and women, said they at least understood Will Smith’s fierce reaction to Rock’s mockery of his wife, even if they disagreed with how and where Smith showed it.


What has developed since that unforgettable moment at the Oscars is a classic “two Americas” conversation. By that I mean: Black people and white people aren’t necessarily talking about the incident in the same way. That much was evident in the celebrity reaction. Tiffany Haddish, a Black actor and comedian who starred with Jada Pinkett Smith in the blockbuster movie Girls Trip, told People: “When I saw a Black man stand up for his wife, that meant so much to me.” To my eyes, Black commentators were more willing to joke about the incident—perhaps because, as Will Packer, the television and film megaproducer who oversaw the Oscars broadcast, tweeted after the show, “Black people have a defiant spirit of laughter when it comes to dealing with pain because there has been so much of it.”


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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/two-americas-debating-will-smith-chris-rock-oscars-slap/629407/


Chris shouldn't have disrespected his wife and Will shouldn't have slapped him. What should be the response? Mercy is part and parcel of justice. The social sanctions have been enough for both gentlemen.

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In that light, Jada could have defused the entire thing and brought down the house mnhtnbb Mar 2022 #1
The target of the bad joke was supposed to instantly respond with a clever gesture? n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #75
NO !! This person leaves out the ***FACT*** that WS laughed at the GI Jane Joke ... too. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #2
He was probably laughing at the idea of his wife being a GI. pnwmom Mar 2022 #76
TMZ is reporting Rock had no idea Jada had alopecia uponit7771 Mar 2022 #78
Yeah, right. Chris Rock, the producer of GOOD HAIR, a documentary about pnwmom Mar 2022 #80
So Rock is supposed to know EVERYONE who has alopecia cause he did a black hair documentary?! uponit7771 Mar 2022 #83
That's not what I said. I said he had to know alopecia was common. pnwmom Mar 2022 #85
The commonality of the condition isn't a factor here its whether or not CR knew Jada had ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #86
It doesn't matter what Will Smith thought about the "joke" ripcord Mar 2022 #88
Can't take the time to read every last report about this incident. rgbecker Mar 2022 #3
Chris apologized for insulting Will's wife and Will apologized for slapping him. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #4
I can't believe people aren't accepting the apologies from both. jimfields33 Mar 2022 #5
There were people who wanted Will to ask the police to charge him so he could plead guilty to assult DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #6
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Last I heard, the only apology supposedly from Chris had been disavowed by his team. It was fake. n/ pnwmom Mar 2022 #77
Hey, people are on edge. rgbecker Mar 2022 #7
I was at a Ralph's in West Hills. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #9
Has Rock apologized? Snopes says ... Whiskeytide Mar 2022 #54
When did Chris apologize? The only apology I've seen was a fake being passed around on Twitter. pnwmom Mar 2022 #82
Verbal assault? Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #32
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Jealousy / envy / admiration... If it's fear, why all the imitating? ecstatic Apr 2022 #96
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I'm surprised it took 24 hours for this angle to be used as an excuse Sympthsical Mar 2022 #11
If the social sanctions aren't enough what should be the appropriate punishment? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #12
Removal from the Academy Sympthsical Mar 2022 #14
Should Mel Gibson and Roman Polanski be removed from the Academy? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #15
Absolutely Zeitghost Mar 2022 #19
Ab.So.Lutely. Sympthsical Mar 2022 #23
Yep, fuck em and uponit7771 Mar 2022 #66
Dunno. sheshe2 Mar 2022 #57
Are you seriously equating a joke with a physically violent act? Sympthsical Mar 2022 #61
A joke? sheshe2 Mar 2022 #62
You're minimizing violence against women Sympthsical Mar 2022 #63
I most certainly am not minimizing anything. sheshe2 Mar 2022 #87
I don't think Rock goes to jail for his words but Smith goes to jail for his actions. The laws ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #68
THIS! 👉🏾👉🏾👉🏾 "People simping for celebrities who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire" uponit7771 Mar 2022 #65
Words of wisdom. Celerity Mar 2022 #72
TMZ is reporting Rock had no idea Jada had alopecia from a CR friend. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #73
If true, that blows up these insipid 'poor little helpless, diseased Jada, the victim' posturings Celerity Mar 2022 #79
WOW 25 ! DU is a case study of pathology of even well meaning people. I'm blown away at even the uponit7771 Mar 2022 #81
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I am not an absolute pacifist Celerity Mar 2022 #93
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Agree. Celerity Mar 2022 #71
if this was not the news catsudon Mar 2022 #16
I missed it. What did I miss? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #17
here catsudon Mar 2022 #18
Wow. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2022 #20
I saw that and wondered if it's why they blocked the video with the Oscars logo. lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #27
One can only imagine the conversation if one of the two participants was white. Sneederbunk Mar 2022 #21
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I thought you were talking about the other America: arlyellowdog Mar 2022 #24
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I have a question that I hope someone can answer Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #29
I'm shocked people are still defending/excusing Smith. nt Mosby Mar 2022 #30
And the third America, which isn't paying a minute's attention to this story? brooklynite Mar 2022 #31
Hard to ignore it. I've seen it on Morning Joe every morning. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #91
Rock was doing his job, albeit not well when he told the joke. Smith behaved criminally. SYFROYH Mar 2022 #33
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They were both black and so race is not an issue treestar Mar 2022 #35
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this struck me as treestar Mar 2022 #40
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+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #69
Will Smith punching up Ted Cruz treestar Mar 2022 #89
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I agree completely. And I have to say I know one shouldn't hit someone...but there is something Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #36
at this point I think some people just enjoy slinging vitriol fishwax Mar 2022 #37
IMO more of a miscalculation treestar Mar 2022 #41
653 texts - lol DenaliDemocrat Mar 2022 #48
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You forgot the third group whistler162 Mar 2022 #55
He laughed at the joke krawhitham Mar 2022 #56
Shortly after that laugh, Will made it all about himself! Emile Mar 2022 #58
No no no, that's not laughter that was gas or nerves or he was laughing from the last joke or ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #70
He laughed at the idea of Jada being a GI. That doesn't mean he was laughing pnwmom Mar 2022 #84
I think they were both in the wrong mvd Mar 2022 #60
The author from the Atlantic has never been to a Comedy Club. WarGamer Mar 2022 #64
+1 Celerity Mar 2022 #67
"Black people and white people aren't necessarily..." Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2022 #74
I don't like broad brushes ecstatic Apr 2022 #95
I saw her laughing her ass off. She just as guilty as Will! Emile Apr 2022 #100
Will Smith resigns from the Academy iemanja Apr 2022 #97
Boy am I glad I was on the winning debate team! Will Smith resigned! Emile Apr 2022 #99
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