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Jilly_in_VA

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Wed Mar 30, 2022, 11:44 AM Mar 2022

Will Smith, Chris Rock, and when words are violent, too [View all]

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After Will Smith slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars for making a cruel joke about his wife Jada Pinkett Smith, the public spent most of its energy moralizing around Smith's physical assault. But some say Rock's language can be considered an act of violence, too.

Violence is not limited to slaps and kicks, according to experts who study violent speech and psychological harm. Violence can be the words we use to mock, categorize, exclude and control.

"I would put that joke on the continuum of linguistic violence," said William Gay, a professor at UNC Charlotte who studies the philosophy of language. "We make too light of words. ... A lesson that we can take from what happened is the need to be more reflective about what we're saying and the harms that it can cause."

The cultural conversation around violent speech tends to focus on the most egregious acts, including hate speech and slurs. It's the uproar when Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says she was called a "f------ b----," by Rep. Ted Yoho on a staircase at the U.S. Capitol. It's the outrage when former President Donald Trump referred to Mexican immigrants as "rapists" and "animals." It's our indignation at the most horrific examples of online abuse, when Internet mobs are unleashed and reporters and academics and TikTok creators are inundated with rape and death threats.

But some linguists, psychologists and philosophers of language argue that in only condemning the most abusive speech acts, we excuse and dismiss the more subtle forms, including comedy. Rock may not have known how his joke would land, he may not have intended such harm and as a person of color belongs to a category that experiences rampant dehumanization through violent language, but linguists say his own speech act still deserves scrutiny.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2022/03/29/smith-slapped-chris-rock-but-some-say-joke-violent-too/7207103001/
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Let's talk about LANGUAGE that hurts people.....as a child, a woman, an LBTQIA+ person, a person of color, a disabled person.......words DO hurt

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FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: Will Smith laughed at Chris Rocks GI Jane joke ...... too. uponit7771 Mar 2022 #1
Are you familiar Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 #3
No, stop ... WS should have the courage to have no laughter at all. WS wasn't uncomfortable ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #7
No stopping. Words are abusive and hurtful. LakeArenal Mar 2022 #27
We agree words are hurtful disproportional response make things worse uponit7771 Mar 2022 #36
Well as long as a person not the target of the "joke" maybe found it funny for a second meadowlander Mar 2022 #41
I laugh at people that are calling jokes about appearance art ripcord Mar 2022 #2
i got bullied plenty in the schoolyard. none of them ever joked that i looked like robert redford. unblock Mar 2022 #22
That's your perception of what happened. Not everyone's. LakeArenal Mar 2022 #28
Certainly true. unblock Mar 2022 #32
I still get teased about my baldness. The old man down the road tells everyone I use ivory soap for Emile Mar 2022 #34
Fun fact: words actually don't hurt if the one hearing chooses not to let them do so Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2022 #4
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #8
Will Smith is not a little kid. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #18
Okay, you're right, young people need to grow this ability it's not innate Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2022 #19
One cannot "choose" in any moment how they feel. There is not a little ghost in the machine RockRaven Mar 2022 #23
Good thing you weren't a disabled or out LGBTQ teenager. LakeArenal Mar 2022 #29
They do when you get fired or miss out on a promotion or have to work ten times harder meadowlander Mar 2022 #42
If the subject is "linguistic violence," then what about... dchill Mar 2022 #5
So, as I read it Bettie Mar 2022 #6
That's hardly what I'm talking about Jilly_in_VA Mar 2022 #9
If anything that offends someone is 'linguistic violence' Bettie Mar 2022 #16
Tell that to every disabled, LGBTQ,or the kid that is just different... LakeArenal Mar 2022 #30
That just adds to the idea that Bettie Mar 2022 #37
Sorry you went through all that Bettie robbob Mar 2022 #39
Thanks Bettie Mar 2022 #43
Thank you Bettie for sharing that! Emile Mar 2022 #44
No more movies. No more tv shows. No more books. LexVegas Mar 2022 #10
Chris Rock's joke would have been right at home coming out of the mouth of a schoolyard bully ripcord Mar 2022 #20
So, violence was an entirely rational and expected response Bettie Mar 2022 #21
I read that the are/were friends that knew of the condition LakeArenal Mar 2022 #31
I've read the opposite Bettie Mar 2022 #38
Fucks sake greenjar_01 Mar 2022 #11
+1 unbelievable that some people are making excuses for violence! Emile Mar 2022 #13
Is physical violence an acceptable response to linguistic violence? Chautauquas Mar 2022 #12
No, no, and just no Jm7603 Mar 2022 #14
Because war in Ukraine iemanja Mar 2022 #15
while i welcome the discussion about verbal violence, this is hardly the best situation to use unblock Mar 2022 #17
This. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #24
Yes. Whether his laughter was genuine or not, he was professional until he clocked jada's reaction unblock Mar 2022 #26
Well said my friend (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2022 #25
"Is what I'm about to write going to sound like parody?" Sympthsical Mar 2022 #33
Down the rabbit hole Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #35
Sticks and stones may break my bones..... BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #40
+1 treestar Mar 2022 #46
No. Mere words will not be elevated to the level treestar Mar 2022 #45
Locking thread MustLoveBeagles Mar 2022 #47
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