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49. Small teans with antitank missiles can hold ground

Reply to Jerry2144 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 2, 2022, 03:55 AM

Apr 2022

Mobile offensive warfare will require some kind of armed vehicle. If not the tank, some kind of successor vehicle.

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Ukraine's Best Tank Brigade Has Won The Battle For Chernihiv [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2022 OP

The one change in warfare I am taking out of this war... TheRealNorth Apr 2022 #1

That is big. underpants Apr 2022 #2

When I was in the Army 40+ years ago many were predicting this Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2022 #4

The effectiveness of the anti-tank Sagger missile in the 1973 Yom Kippur War Aristus Apr 2022 #35

I would be hesitant to make that broader assumption Amishman Apr 2022 #5

Decades of observing the US military IronLionZion Apr 2022 #11

I proffer RA CAN'T perform combined arm execution because MPADs make CAS nearly impossible. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #21

When all you fight are poor farmers armed with long rifles and 80s era RPGs... LuvLoogie Apr 2022 #30

+1, my friend says similar that RA hasn't been in a modern conventional war since ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #36

It is something to definitely factor in, but the Russian Army's performance... JHB Apr 2022 #6

True, they're even horrible in the east reduced to a mechanized terrorist organization because they uponit7771 Apr 2022 #19

And another confirmation from past lessons learned Best_man23 Apr 2022 #7

I don't think these ever MADE it to a real urban environment! oldsoftie Apr 2022 #29

Drones also - also the guts/determination/courage of Ukranian citizens packman Apr 2022 #9

I think you are right. flying rabbit Apr 2022 #47

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 include MPAD for short range AA. If MPAD can be made for medium range that's it uponit7771 Apr 2022 #18

Absolutely changes the whole face of war. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #40

Correct greenjar_01 Apr 2022 #48

My guess is that we will see more lightly armored, highly mobile vehicles TheRealNorth Apr 2022 #51

The battle tank Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #3

Nope.... Aviation Pro Apr 2022 #12

portable missiles small enough to be carried by a person Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #16

I served on an IOWA Class Battleship in the 1980s maxrandb Apr 2022 #26

2 team ASM are not of the realm of possibility? uponit7771 Apr 2022 #33

The new Russian and Chinese hypersonic ASM's have changed everything WarGamer Apr 2022 #42

The USS Wisconsin (BB-64) & USS Iowa (BB-61) were the last two battleships on the planet Celerity Apr 2022 #43

"relegated to more of a long-range artillery role" Which is the ONE ASPECT the RA has done to B+ ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #28

I think this is anticipated. A few dozen of these running lethal reconnaissance... LuvLoogie Apr 2022 #38

All valid points.... Aviation Pro Apr 2022 #44

Right Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #45

I don't know, the stand off of Jav ATGM is a half mile and MPADs are more accurate now than they uponit7771 Apr 2022 #22

Small teans with antitank missiles can hold ground Ex Lurker Apr 2022 #49

Tanks are part of a combined arms system Kaleva Apr 2022 #50

Now let them win in the air, too. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #8

When I saw the first pictures of Vova's tank columns, I thought, "Uh-oh, they haven't learned.... Aviation Pro Apr 2022 #10

I wonder if this is a case of Putin knowing more than the generals IronLionZion Apr 2022 #13

Putin was an intel specialist & never served in the military; oldsoftie Apr 2022 #32

Wow!, Wow! Wow! Fla Dem Apr 2022 #14

I had not heard about the bombing. Great news. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #34

The Ukranians are defending their homeland and are highly motivated. lpbk2713 Apr 2022 #15

Big problems ahead. James48 Apr 2022 #17

Well that didn't work out for them in the first world war. Crowman2009 Apr 2022 #20

absolutely !! There will NO DOUBT be a rethinking of offensives. Their mobile artillery was .... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #24

I think it will take longer than 6 months The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #31

Problem with that theory is the Russians will NEVER give autonomy to troops oldsoftie Apr 2022 #37

They have experience from Syria, Afghanistan, Georgia, and Crimea IronLionZion Apr 2022 #46

I have been stunned by how incompetent the Russian army has been at the ONE thing . . . markpkessinger Apr 2022 #23

The Ukrainians have been B+/A- on tactics though. Its not just the RA incompetence that ... uponit7771 Apr 2022 #25

Russia saw what we did in Iraq to tanks. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #27

I don't know what shocks me more jgmiller Apr 2022 #39

Pitched battles like this are what the Russians thought they'd face Warpy Apr 2022 #41