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39. Would the Orange One removing classified docs to MagatLago and then say, giving that info away

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Apr 2022

(or selling it), would that be treason?

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If the UK can do it....why the hell can't we? [View all] 634-5789 Apr 2022 OP

Fortunately, or unfortunately, however you see it, we have the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. marie999 Apr 2022 #1

That needs to be adjusted to responsible free speech when broadcasting across the nation IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #6

You want to modify or repeal the 1A? Hard pass. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #10

Ha, never will happen. Joseph Goebbels would have loved it! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #12

I'll join you in the hard pass SCantiGOP Apr 2022 #24

+3 H2O Man Apr 2022 #64

No need to modify or repeal it Orrex Apr 2022 #141

And how would ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #150

No doubt you campaign tirelessly against all restrictions upon the first amendment. Orrex Apr 2022 #155

I consider that ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #158

Then I don't understand what you're complaining about Orrex Apr 2022 #197

Well, you ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #201

You have several times misrepresented my position Orrex Apr 2022 #262

Ok. Works for me ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #265

Then bring back the fairness doctrine. If that is the right name. Where a news organization must Maraya1969 Apr 2022 #175

SCOTUS Sgent Apr 2022 #178

The fairness doctrine did not require "equal time" to "the other side" of the story. onenote Apr 2022 #285

Thank you. betsuni Apr 2022 #293

Who gets to decide what is "responsible free speech"? Mariana Apr 2022 #31

Zacly. elleng Apr 2022 #42

How about equal time for an opposing view point, like it used to be? Meadowoak Apr 2022 #87

It was never that way with cable, satellite or internet, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #88

We don't even have it for broadcast TV, anymore. Meadowoak Apr 2022 #89

The FD is an outdated law, there are so many MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #91

+100 nt reACTIONary Apr 2022 #126

+100 nt reACTIONary Apr 2022 #123

The fairness doctrine never required "equal time" for an opposing view point. onenote Apr 2022 #288

Start simple Bettie Apr 2022 #122

That is ridiculously easy to get around. Mariana Apr 2022 #131

So, no point in even trying Bettie Apr 2022 #152

That's exactly right. There is no point in trying to use government power to suppress speech tritsofme Apr 2022 #154

We can stop giving them money. Mariana Apr 2022 #159

That's a good start- let's keep coming up with solutions Tumbulu Apr 2022 #167

and who gets to define 'responsible free speech'? Sorry, I'd rather have freedom than that risk Amishman Apr 2022 #48

Post removed Post removed Apr 2022 #53

On DU there are all these clueless people who go on and on Tumbulu Apr 2022 #56

Well, considering that the likes of Faux, Newsmax, etc. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #65

Now you stop making sense and all that! oldsoftie Apr 2022 #71

Sowwy. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #73

Why is what Fox News does any different rainy Apr 2022 #95

Well, considering the courts disagree with you, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #101

The court agrees with me. In a supreme rainy Apr 2022 #107

No, that's not true, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #109

Of course if you actually believe it duh!!!! rainy Apr 2022 #117

it's a stupid line, from an (exceedingly) stupid ruling stopdiggin Apr 2022 #157

Thank you. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #181

The Supreme Court does not agree with you. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #120

No. It. Doesn't. stopdiggin Apr 2022 #156

Thank you, well said!!! rainy Apr 2022 #90

No, it wasn't. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #92

Because... Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #100

Yep, they don't consider how this will their right to free speech. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #102

Ironically Junker recognized the problem when Trump was in office. Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #108

"Why people want to screw with the 1A, especially Dems, is beyond me." Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #116

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #119

+1 Oh .. YES! stopdiggin Apr 2022 #160

I would rec this if I could kcr Apr 2022 #153

I am one of those clueless people who go on and on. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #182

Often on DU it's a waste of time to try to have meaningful discussions. So, I present RKP5637 Apr 2022 #246

I hear you, but no. paleotn Apr 2022 #59

This forum for one... MichMan Apr 2022 #77

Keep in mind what "responsible free speech" is to republicans. Angleae Apr 2022 #70

Who decides what is responsible? LiberatedUSA Apr 2022 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Whatthe_Firetruck Apr 2022 #135

To what purpose? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Whatthe_Firetruck Apr 2022 #198

You are aware that the FD never applied to cable, satellite or the internet aren't you? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #203

The fairness doctrine never required "equal time" for opposing viewpoints. onenote Apr 2022 #289

Bring back the Fairness Doctrine? SergeStorms Apr 2022 #21

YES nt Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #37

The FD doesn't apply to cable. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #38

So what? At least bring it back for what it does cover Tumbulu Apr 2022 #57

Cable took over I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #81

Exactly. murielm99 Apr 2022 #63

No he wouldn't moose65 Apr 2022 #67

That would be no for many reasons... melm00se Apr 2022 #121

Yes, those were the limitations..... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #138

Because of that pesky 1st amendment melm00se Apr 2022 #196

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #204

thank you. this is a Pandora's box stopdiggin Apr 2022 #269

Posters keep saying that the Fairness Doctrine required equal time. It didn't. onenote Apr 2022 #290

The whole premise of the OP Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #183

So we can't have standards or metrics as to what is allowed to be called "news?" CrispyQ Apr 2022 #266

Sure, just repeal the First Amendment. Mariana Apr 2022 #280

Hey Ho, President Joe - Rupert Murduch has to go! FakeNoose Apr 2022 #2

What legal options do you suggest? mcar Apr 2022 #29

"Propaganda for right-wing extremism" works for me FakeNoose Apr 2022 #32

Can you link to that law? mcar Apr 2022 #49

That's protected under the First Amendment sir pball Apr 2022 #55

No - the use of public airwaves is separate from the first amendment Tumbulu Apr 2022 #60

What public airwaves are Fox News using? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #61

They are on cable but they also have a public rainy Apr 2022 #112

Their public channels are far different than their cable station, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #115

Fox News and Fox network are not the same thing nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #129

Just what, pray tell, public airways is Faux using? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #66

Instead of arguing with me, why don't you come up with creative ways Tumbulu Apr 2022 #78

Sorry, but I'm fine with the 1st Amendment just the way it is, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #83

You want "creative ways" around the concrete protection of free speech per the 1A? sir pball Apr 2022 #85

He's not arguing, he's merely stating the truth. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Apr 2022 #145

Oh no, public airwaves are off limits! sir pball Apr 2022 #94

Hate speech that causes violence rainy Apr 2022 #103

You clearly aren't familiar with the Brandenburg test. sir pball Apr 2022 #105

You left this part out, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #106

The point duh is that you can't say it if it's not rainy Apr 2022 #127

You probably need to read post 120. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #130

These silly responses citing 1st Ammendment Tumbulu Apr 2022 #170

You calling our responses to the 1A silly is telling me all I need to know about you. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #192

"We could sue these broadcasters civilly for slander." stopdiggin Apr 2022 #270

Here is an idea- instead of being negative Tumbulu Apr 2022 #279

my 'constuctive' idea is .. stopdiggin Apr 2022 #284

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #287

That is not a constructive idea at all Tumbulu Apr 2022 #291

I do not have any desire to curb speech stopdiggin Apr 2022 #292

I am asking for all non governmental action ideas Tumbulu Apr 2022 #294

We would get demolished in elections if we tried to ban them Polybius Apr 2022 #151

Excellent thing to do!!! Murdoch has single handily brought the US down!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #3

First Amendment. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #4

Because the UK didn't do it AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #5

Exactly. mwooldri Apr 2022 #20

Uh I'd say the existence of any British colony qua colony is due to the rage of older white men. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #7

Ha! You make an excellent point. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #9

Maybe cuz... laws? WarGamer Apr 2022 #8

Tucker Carlson is openly and freely aiding and abetting an enemy of the United States. Initech Apr 2022 #11

Certainly a fair question IMO. Recently I was on some major station, maybe a Fox affiliate and RKP5637 Apr 2022 #15

from image dump - Tucker keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #18

Russia is not an enemy of the United States as defined by law. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #19

wait a few weeks Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #22

Even then, the USSC has ruled Mariana Apr 2022 #35

Would the Orange One removing classified docs to MagatLago and then say, giving that info away Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #39

And why else would he take it? Memorabilia?? He doesn't lift a finger if he can't make $$. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #40

It might be espionage. Mariana Apr 2022 #41

I think you're right. Does the U.S. have any "formal enemies" currently? Official list? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #50

We aren't in a formal state of war with any country. Mariana Apr 2022 #52

Thanks. Interesting that Japan never entered into a peace agreement after WWII Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #58

If the US and Russia should actually go to war Mariana Apr 2022 #69

Hey, it's another Twitter personality making up shit for retweets nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #13

something something "Fairness Doctrine" ymetca Apr 2022 #14

From Gods lips.... Augiedog Apr 2022 #16

So that same 43% of republicans would approve a democrat shutting down Fox news? keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #17

Wondering what the regulatory/legal basis in UK led to it's vanquish? Anyone? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #23

it never happened, the OP is fake news Celerity Apr 2022 #74

reading the link (thanks) there are significant regulations that Fox broke and were cited for. We Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #84

The Fairness Doctrine never applied to cable, so Fox News would not come under its purview. Celerity Apr 2022 #93

I appreciate your insight. Could you expand a bit on your last sentence? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #99

It seams self-evident. At some point certain parts of the Constitution may well prove Celerity Apr 2022 #118

I hear you!!! rainy Apr 2022 #133

Thank you for saying what I was thinking but was having trouble finding Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #179

Excellent points. (sadly). We hold these truths to be self-evident. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #187

None The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #125

No, the UK did not ban Fox News. CaptainTruth Apr 2022 #25

I just sent an e-mail to MSNBC asking about access to live streaming: txwhitedove Apr 2022 #26

I watch a lot of MSNBC on YouTube. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #111

Oh yes, YouTube is rerun old stuff. I want to live stream as it txwhitedove Apr 2022 #128

No, not all old and reruns. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2022 #188

Wow, thanks. I'll try those links. txwhitedove Apr 2022 #191

Those are all illegal pirate sites AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #216

I live in Sweden, it's not on telly here in any form Celerity Apr 2022 #217

I can't watch the BBC in America without paying AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #218

but you can, you just choose not to Celerity Apr 2022 #219

I can't LEGALLY watch them AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #220

there is no subscription service here that carries MSNBC, and the American Celerity Apr 2022 #223

That sucks AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #229

watching free streams is not illegal here, streaming them without consent is, & I do not stream Celerity Apr 2022 #231

Then why does those sites always get shut down, siezed by the FCC AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #232

The UK has arrested people for posting rap lyrics. Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #27

Wait, what? Really? Can I get a link to that story if you have a moment, please? N/T Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #252

Chelsea Russell Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #263

Wow. Just wow. That's beyond absurd and seems like something out of the Onion, honestly. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #276

1st Amendment mcar Apr 2022 #28

Fox News is a symptom and not a cause. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2022 #30

No, it normalized what Limbaugh Tumbulu Apr 2022 #168

As others have said Faux is not banned in the UK Borderer Apr 2022 #33

In case anyone missed the earlier response: The UK did NOT ban Fox News onenote Apr 2022 #34

the 2nd quote is fake too Celerity Apr 2022 #171

It's upsetting how quickly Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #186

... MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #194

We are just human beings Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #295

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #296

Yup Martin68 Apr 2022 #36

Wow 68 people support doing away with the first Amendment AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #43

Some here do have an authoritarian streak, I'm afraid. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #46

Don't say so though, that's rude AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #230

Country-wide universal healthcare? Earth-shine Apr 2022 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author c-rational Apr 2022 #45

Thank you Jacinda! Straight to the point. I like her a lot. liberalla Apr 2022 #47

You support peddling lies and calling for the removal of the 1st Amendment? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #54

If we're talking about accuracy, she did not "peddle lies" or call for the removal of the 1st Am. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #177

The OP said The UK banned Fox News AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #214

OK, so you're accusing a DUer, not Jacinda Ardern, of lying muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #224

Have you read the rest of this thread? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #227

You haven't "provided the truth". You've got it very wrong. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #233

Attack the messenger, got it AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #235

The point is, you attacked the wrong people muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #236

Tweeter creates falsehood AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #237

In this sub-thread, you called out someone for liking Jacinda Ardern muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #239

ARdern is a fine progressive politician who never said anything attributed to her in the post AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #240

You attacked Ardern muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #243

I was actually criticizing the tweeter who posted it, the DUer who shared it AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #245

You posted "you support her peddling lies...", to a post in which "she" was Ardern muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #259

Repeating a lie is still lying AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #261

Guess what? The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #86

Be careful, calling out lies is rude AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #228

Fake - both the UK and the NZ claim ramblin_dave Apr 2022 #51

thank you Celerity Apr 2022 #208

True, but here's the thing. ecstatic Apr 2022 #62

A little problem with the first amendment. nycbos Apr 2022 #68

We had those types when before Fox News JI7 Apr 2022 #72

We certainly did. We had pro Nazi rallies before MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #124

Figuring out ways to stop propaganda is not Tumbulu Apr 2022 #172

None of us ever said it was out of bounds, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #195

I come to DU for news and sharing ideas Tumbulu Apr 2022 #278

Well, as has been pointed out numerous times here, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #75

First, please ignore all the perennial "first amendment" commentators Tumbulu Apr 2022 #76

I just change the station when I find something I don't care to hear MichMan Apr 2022 #80

and a little side dish of authoritarianism -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 2022 #161

Not even the best magician can pull a rabbit out of a hat if there isn't already a rabbit in the hat betsuni Apr 2022 #79

Unfortunately The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Apr 2022 #96

daniel dale of cnn fact checked this and jacinda adearn did not dawn5651 Apr 2022 #97

Considering that your whole OP has turned out to be bullshit, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #104

It's pretty ironic, isn't it? Mariana Apr 2022 #164

+10000000000000000 Celerity Apr 2022 #174

Indeed, it's ironic Hav Apr 2022 #176

+10000000000000000 Celerity Apr 2022 #166

So . . . .the 1st amendment allows me to say . . . Aussie105 Apr 2022 #110

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 1A, given your examples. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #132

In case you missed my point . . . Aussie105 Apr 2022 #142

You're arguing against the First Amendment whether you admit it or not. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #147

there is no impediment whatsoever to 'civilized' people stopdiggin Apr 2022 #162

At what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Make7 Apr 2022 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #134

he's quoting dump Kali Apr 2022 #258

Ahh, ok, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #271

K&R x 1,000,000 Blue Owl Apr 2022 #137

Except the headline is bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #139

In response, same old tired arguments about the 1st Amendment having NO limitations/consequences Hekate Apr 2022 #140

Yet here we are, Aussie105 Apr 2022 #143

Yes, pathetic and unimaginative Tumbulu Apr 2022 #165

Who here argued that the First Amendment has no limitations? Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #254

Money talks loudest in the US, sadly RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2022 #144

I suspect OP's such as this which call for the federal government to restrict speech are not Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #146

As much as ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #149

quite correct. stopdiggin Apr 2022 #163

Your second quote is fake too. This OP is an embarrassment. You should take it down. Celerity Apr 2022 #169

FWIW, a former head of policy & comms for the NZ Green Party said something similar muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #200

But it wasn't the govt that banned them, as the OP suggests. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #205

that is not what the OP claims with the fake quote Celerity Apr 2022 #207

Jeez, we get misattributed quotes on DU every day muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #225

It is not misattributed, both parts of the OP are fake news lies Celerity Apr 2022 #226

Yeah, why shouldn't we strive to be accurate? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #238

I strive to be accurate on DU muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #241

So saying the UK and New Zealand banned Fox News isn't a lie? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #242

People have pointed out they're incorrect; it can be done without venom muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #244

Civility is more important than truth, I get your point AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #247

"Stalking"? For fuck's sake, I replied to you once, and then continued that exchange muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #256

OP should delete this. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #249

Unfortunately we don't really have a clear-cut "this is bullshit" option for alerting... nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #250

There is, however, no malice in the OP muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #257

If there was no malice then it should be taken down AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #260

there is a certain amount of malice (or at least ill will) stopdiggin Apr 2022 #272

You see, "bald faced" is bollocks. "Lie" is going a bit too far. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #274

They are putting words in mouths stopdiggin Apr 2022 #275

People who are ok with authoritarianism always make the dumbest assumption Sympthsical Apr 2022 #173

Fake "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ____ ?" Because government only means Democrats. betsuni Apr 2022 #180

The whole Premise of those tweets Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #184

Yes. And it's now the top recommended post on DU. sl8 Apr 2022 #189

Fox viewers are less likely to believe lies after being paid to watch CNN for 30 days: study Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2022 #185

This is currently showing as the Greatest thread on the Home Page The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #190

But I doubt the OP will take it down. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #193

it makes the board look foolish, and hurts credibility Celerity Apr 2022 #212

Yep, as I said I've seen it before. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #234

Is it true these quotes are apocryphal? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2022 #199

yes, they both have been comprehensively debunked, yet it remains up Celerity Apr 2022 #210

lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #202

It just keeps going... sarisataka Apr 2022 #248

Why is this thread still up? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #206

good questions Celerity Apr 2022 #209

It certainly demonstrates the authoritarian streak of many on this site. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #211

It certainly does, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #213

Also shows how people comment on here without checking whether something is even factual. Jetheels Apr 2022 #215

There's lots of topics that will do that round here nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #221

You should self-delete. nt Tommy Carcetti Apr 2022 #222

The usual UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #251

Hmmm. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #255

Guilty conscience? UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #267

Not in the slightest. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #277

Interesting interpretation UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #282

K Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #283

nice to see you using a sexist trope defending disinformation that has been definitively debunked Celerity Apr 2022 #264

I'm four square against posting lies and misinformation stopdiggin Apr 2022 #273

That's nice UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #281

I find it fairly easy to operate within those stopdiggin Apr 2022 #286

First Amendment which should be supported on a site like DU!!! nt Raine Apr 2022 #253

You would think so, but I guess we learn something new every day. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #268