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muriel_volestrangler

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224. OK, so you're accusing a DUer, not Jacinda Ardern, of lying

Mon Apr 4, 2022, 10:36 AM

Apr 2022

Accusing a DUer of lying is, course, pretty low - all they did was believe a tweet. Banning Fox News would probably be a violation of the 1st Amendment - but the Fairness Doctrine survived for many years, and that means there is an interpretation in which that could be extended to cable TV, though I don't think it'd pass this Supreme Court (or many of the them).

So, for "basic comprehension":

You replied to a post about what had been attributed to Jacinda Ardern, the PM of New Zealand. That's not about the 1st Amendment.

If you want to be rude to fellow DUers, you can characterize them believing a tweet about the UK banning Fox News as "peddling lies". If you really want to. That's about manners. But you're wrong to attribute that to Jacinda Ardern, or, for that matter to the DUer who likes Ardern - they did not comment on the "1st Amendment" part of the OP at all, so they are not "peddling lies" in any form, however rude you want to be.

Maybe you need to take a breath, and step back before continuing in this thread? It seems to be causing you unnecessary grief.

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If the UK can do it....why the hell can't we? [View all] 634-5789 Apr 2022 OP

Fortunately, or unfortunately, however you see it, we have the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. marie999 Apr 2022 #1

That needs to be adjusted to responsible free speech when broadcasting across the nation IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #6

You want to modify or repeal the 1A? Hard pass. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #10

Ha, never will happen. Joseph Goebbels would have loved it! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #12

I'll join you in the hard pass SCantiGOP Apr 2022 #24

+3 H2O Man Apr 2022 #64

No need to modify or repeal it Orrex Apr 2022 #141

And how would ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #150

No doubt you campaign tirelessly against all restrictions upon the first amendment. Orrex Apr 2022 #155

I consider that ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #158

Then I don't understand what you're complaining about Orrex Apr 2022 #197

Well, you ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #201

You have several times misrepresented my position Orrex Apr 2022 #262

Ok. Works for me ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #265

Then bring back the fairness doctrine. If that is the right name. Where a news organization must Maraya1969 Apr 2022 #175

SCOTUS Sgent Apr 2022 #178

The fairness doctrine did not require "equal time" to "the other side" of the story. onenote Apr 2022 #285

Thank you. betsuni Apr 2022 #293

Who gets to decide what is "responsible free speech"? Mariana Apr 2022 #31

Zacly. elleng Apr 2022 #42

How about equal time for an opposing view point, like it used to be? Meadowoak Apr 2022 #87

It was never that way with cable, satellite or internet, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #88

We don't even have it for broadcast TV, anymore. Meadowoak Apr 2022 #89

The FD is an outdated law, there are so many MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #91

+100 nt reACTIONary Apr 2022 #126

+100 nt reACTIONary Apr 2022 #123

The fairness doctrine never required "equal time" for an opposing view point. onenote Apr 2022 #288

Start simple Bettie Apr 2022 #122

That is ridiculously easy to get around. Mariana Apr 2022 #131

So, no point in even trying Bettie Apr 2022 #152

That's exactly right. There is no point in trying to use government power to suppress speech tritsofme Apr 2022 #154

We can stop giving them money. Mariana Apr 2022 #159

That's a good start- let's keep coming up with solutions Tumbulu Apr 2022 #167

and who gets to define 'responsible free speech'? Sorry, I'd rather have freedom than that risk Amishman Apr 2022 #48

Post removed Post removed Apr 2022 #53

On DU there are all these clueless people who go on and on Tumbulu Apr 2022 #56

Well, considering that the likes of Faux, Newsmax, etc. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #65

Now you stop making sense and all that! oldsoftie Apr 2022 #71

Sowwy. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #73

Why is what Fox News does any different rainy Apr 2022 #95

Well, considering the courts disagree with you, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #101

The court agrees with me. In a supreme rainy Apr 2022 #107

No, that's not true, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #109

Of course if you actually believe it duh!!!! rainy Apr 2022 #117

it's a stupid line, from an (exceedingly) stupid ruling stopdiggin Apr 2022 #157

Thank you. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #181

The Supreme Court does not agree with you. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #120

No. It. Doesn't. stopdiggin Apr 2022 #156

Thank you, well said!!! rainy Apr 2022 #90

No, it wasn't. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #92

Because... Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #100

Yep, they don't consider how this will their right to free speech. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #102

Ironically Junker recognized the problem when Trump was in office. Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #108

"Why people want to screw with the 1A, especially Dems, is beyond me." Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #116

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #119

+1 Oh .. YES! stopdiggin Apr 2022 #160

I would rec this if I could kcr Apr 2022 #153

I am one of those clueless people who go on and on. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2022 #182

Often on DU it's a waste of time to try to have meaningful discussions. So, I present RKP5637 Apr 2022 #246

I hear you, but no. paleotn Apr 2022 #59

This forum for one... MichMan Apr 2022 #77

Keep in mind what "responsible free speech" is to republicans. Angleae Apr 2022 #70

Who decides what is responsible? LiberatedUSA Apr 2022 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Whatthe_Firetruck Apr 2022 #135

To what purpose? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Whatthe_Firetruck Apr 2022 #198

You are aware that the FD never applied to cable, satellite or the internet aren't you? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #203

The fairness doctrine never required "equal time" for opposing viewpoints. onenote Apr 2022 #289

Bring back the Fairness Doctrine? SergeStorms Apr 2022 #21

YES nt Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #37

The FD doesn't apply to cable. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #38

So what? At least bring it back for what it does cover Tumbulu Apr 2022 #57

Cable took over I_UndergroundPanther Apr 2022 #81

Exactly. murielm99 Apr 2022 #63

No he wouldn't moose65 Apr 2022 #67

That would be no for many reasons... melm00se Apr 2022 #121

Yes, those were the limitations..... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #138

Because of that pesky 1st amendment melm00se Apr 2022 #196

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #204

thank you. this is a Pandora's box stopdiggin Apr 2022 #269

Posters keep saying that the Fairness Doctrine required equal time. It didn't. onenote Apr 2022 #290

The whole premise of the OP Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #183

So we can't have standards or metrics as to what is allowed to be called "news?" CrispyQ Apr 2022 #266

Sure, just repeal the First Amendment. Mariana Apr 2022 #280

Hey Ho, President Joe - Rupert Murduch has to go! FakeNoose Apr 2022 #2

What legal options do you suggest? mcar Apr 2022 #29

"Propaganda for right-wing extremism" works for me FakeNoose Apr 2022 #32

Can you link to that law? mcar Apr 2022 #49

That's protected under the First Amendment sir pball Apr 2022 #55

No - the use of public airwaves is separate from the first amendment Tumbulu Apr 2022 #60

What public airwaves are Fox News using? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #61

They are on cable but they also have a public rainy Apr 2022 #112

Their public channels are far different than their cable station, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #115

Fox News and Fox network are not the same thing nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #129

Just what, pray tell, public airways is Faux using? nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #66

Instead of arguing with me, why don't you come up with creative ways Tumbulu Apr 2022 #78

Sorry, but I'm fine with the 1st Amendment just the way it is, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #83

You want "creative ways" around the concrete protection of free speech per the 1A? sir pball Apr 2022 #85

He's not arguing, he's merely stating the truth. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Apr 2022 #145

Oh no, public airwaves are off limits! sir pball Apr 2022 #94

Hate speech that causes violence rainy Apr 2022 #103

You clearly aren't familiar with the Brandenburg test. sir pball Apr 2022 #105

You left this part out, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #106

The point duh is that you can't say it if it's not rainy Apr 2022 #127

You probably need to read post 120. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #130

These silly responses citing 1st Ammendment Tumbulu Apr 2022 #170

You calling our responses to the 1A silly is telling me all I need to know about you. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #192

"We could sue these broadcasters civilly for slander." stopdiggin Apr 2022 #270

Here is an idea- instead of being negative Tumbulu Apr 2022 #279

my 'constuctive' idea is .. stopdiggin Apr 2022 #284

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #287

That is not a constructive idea at all Tumbulu Apr 2022 #291

I do not have any desire to curb speech stopdiggin Apr 2022 #292

I am asking for all non governmental action ideas Tumbulu Apr 2022 #294

We would get demolished in elections if we tried to ban them Polybius Apr 2022 #151

Excellent thing to do!!! Murdoch has single handily brought the US down!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2022 #3

First Amendment. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #4

Because the UK didn't do it AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #5

Exactly. mwooldri Apr 2022 #20

Uh I'd say the existence of any British colony qua colony is due to the rage of older white men. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #7

Ha! You make an excellent point. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #9

Maybe cuz... laws? WarGamer Apr 2022 #8

Tucker Carlson is openly and freely aiding and abetting an enemy of the United States. Initech Apr 2022 #11

Certainly a fair question IMO. Recently I was on some major station, maybe a Fox affiliate and RKP5637 Apr 2022 #15

from image dump - Tucker keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #18

Russia is not an enemy of the United States as defined by law. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #19

wait a few weeks Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #22

Even then, the USSC has ruled Mariana Apr 2022 #35

Would the Orange One removing classified docs to MagatLago and then say, giving that info away Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #39

And why else would he take it? Memorabilia?? He doesn't lift a finger if he can't make $$. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #40

It might be espionage. Mariana Apr 2022 #41

I think you're right. Does the U.S. have any "formal enemies" currently? Official list? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #50

We aren't in a formal state of war with any country. Mariana Apr 2022 #52

Thanks. Interesting that Japan never entered into a peace agreement after WWII Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #58

If the US and Russia should actually go to war Mariana Apr 2022 #69

Hey, it's another Twitter personality making up shit for retweets nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #13

something something "Fairness Doctrine" ymetca Apr 2022 #14

From Gods lips.... Augiedog Apr 2022 #16

So that same 43% of republicans would approve a democrat shutting down Fox news? keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #17

Wondering what the regulatory/legal basis in UK led to it's vanquish? Anyone? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #23

it never happened, the OP is fake news Celerity Apr 2022 #74

reading the link (thanks) there are significant regulations that Fox broke and were cited for. We Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #84

The Fairness Doctrine never applied to cable, so Fox News would not come under its purview. Celerity Apr 2022 #93

I appreciate your insight. Could you expand a bit on your last sentence? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #99

It seams self-evident. At some point certain parts of the Constitution may well prove Celerity Apr 2022 #118

I hear you!!! rainy Apr 2022 #133

Thank you for saying what I was thinking but was having trouble finding Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2022 #179

Excellent points. (sadly). We hold these truths to be self-evident. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #187

None The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #125

No, the UK did not ban Fox News. CaptainTruth Apr 2022 #25

I just sent an e-mail to MSNBC asking about access to live streaming: txwhitedove Apr 2022 #26

I watch a lot of MSNBC on YouTube. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #111

Oh yes, YouTube is rerun old stuff. I want to live stream as it txwhitedove Apr 2022 #128

No, not all old and reruns. MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2022 #188

Wow, thanks. I'll try those links. txwhitedove Apr 2022 #191

Those are all illegal pirate sites AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #216

I live in Sweden, it's not on telly here in any form Celerity Apr 2022 #217

I can't watch the BBC in America without paying AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #218

but you can, you just choose not to Celerity Apr 2022 #219

I can't LEGALLY watch them AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #220

there is no subscription service here that carries MSNBC, and the American Celerity Apr 2022 #223

That sucks AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #229

watching free streams is not illegal here, streaming them without consent is, & I do not stream Celerity Apr 2022 #231

Then why does those sites always get shut down, siezed by the FCC AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #232

The UK has arrested people for posting rap lyrics. Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #27

Wait, what? Really? Can I get a link to that story if you have a moment, please? N/T Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #252

Chelsea Russell Dr. Strange Apr 2022 #263

Wow. Just wow. That's beyond absurd and seems like something out of the Onion, honestly. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #276

1st Amendment mcar Apr 2022 #28

Fox News is a symptom and not a cause. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2022 #30

No, it normalized what Limbaugh Tumbulu Apr 2022 #168

As others have said Faux is not banned in the UK Borderer Apr 2022 #33

In case anyone missed the earlier response: The UK did NOT ban Fox News onenote Apr 2022 #34

the 2nd quote is fake too Celerity Apr 2022 #171

It's upsetting how quickly Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #186

... MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #194

We are just human beings Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #295

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #296

Yup Martin68 Apr 2022 #36

Wow 68 people support doing away with the first Amendment AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #43

Some here do have an authoritarian streak, I'm afraid. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #46

Don't say so though, that's rude AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #230

Country-wide universal healthcare? Earth-shine Apr 2022 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author c-rational Apr 2022 #45

Thank you Jacinda! Straight to the point. I like her a lot. liberalla Apr 2022 #47

You support peddling lies and calling for the removal of the 1st Amendment? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #54

If we're talking about accuracy, she did not "peddle lies" or call for the removal of the 1st Am. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #177

The OP said The UK banned Fox News AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #214

OK, so you're accusing a DUer, not Jacinda Ardern, of lying muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #224

Have you read the rest of this thread? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #227

You haven't "provided the truth". You've got it very wrong. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #233

Attack the messenger, got it AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #235

The point is, you attacked the wrong people muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #236

Tweeter creates falsehood AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #237

In this sub-thread, you called out someone for liking Jacinda Ardern muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #239

ARdern is a fine progressive politician who never said anything attributed to her in the post AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #240

You attacked Ardern muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #243

I was actually criticizing the tweeter who posted it, the DUer who shared it AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #245

You posted "you support her peddling lies...", to a post in which "she" was Ardern muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #259

Repeating a lie is still lying AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #261

Guess what? The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #86

Be careful, calling out lies is rude AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #228

Fake - both the UK and the NZ claim ramblin_dave Apr 2022 #51

thank you Celerity Apr 2022 #208

True, but here's the thing. ecstatic Apr 2022 #62

A little problem with the first amendment. nycbos Apr 2022 #68

We had those types when before Fox News JI7 Apr 2022 #72

We certainly did. We had pro Nazi rallies before MerryBlooms Apr 2022 #124

Figuring out ways to stop propaganda is not Tumbulu Apr 2022 #172

None of us ever said it was out of bounds, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #195

I come to DU for news and sharing ideas Tumbulu Apr 2022 #278

Well, as has been pointed out numerous times here, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #75

First, please ignore all the perennial "first amendment" commentators Tumbulu Apr 2022 #76

I just change the station when I find something I don't care to hear MichMan Apr 2022 #80

and a little side dish of authoritarianism -(nt)- stopdiggin Apr 2022 #161

Not even the best magician can pull a rabbit out of a hat if there isn't already a rabbit in the hat betsuni Apr 2022 #79

Unfortunately The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Apr 2022 #96

daniel dale of cnn fact checked this and jacinda adearn did not dawn5651 Apr 2022 #97

Considering that your whole OP has turned out to be bullshit, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #104

It's pretty ironic, isn't it? Mariana Apr 2022 #164

+10000000000000000 Celerity Apr 2022 #174

Indeed, it's ironic Hav Apr 2022 #176

+10000000000000000 Celerity Apr 2022 #166

So . . . .the 1st amendment allows me to say . . . Aussie105 Apr 2022 #110

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 1A, given your examples. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #132

In case you missed my point . . . Aussie105 Apr 2022 #142

You're arguing against the First Amendment whether you admit it or not. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #147

there is no impediment whatsoever to 'civilized' people stopdiggin Apr 2022 #162

At what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Make7 Apr 2022 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #134

he's quoting dump Kali Apr 2022 #258

Ahh, ok, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #271

K&R x 1,000,000 Blue Owl Apr 2022 #137

Except the headline is bullshit. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #139

In response, same old tired arguments about the 1st Amendment having NO limitations/consequences Hekate Apr 2022 #140

Yet here we are, Aussie105 Apr 2022 #143

Yes, pathetic and unimaginative Tumbulu Apr 2022 #165

Who here argued that the First Amendment has no limitations? Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #254

Money talks loudest in the US, sadly RANDYWILDMAN Apr 2022 #144

I suspect OP's such as this which call for the federal government to restrict speech are not Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #146

As much as ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #149

quite correct. stopdiggin Apr 2022 #163

Your second quote is fake too. This OP is an embarrassment. You should take it down. Celerity Apr 2022 #169

FWIW, a former head of policy & comms for the NZ Green Party said something similar muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #200

But it wasn't the govt that banned them, as the OP suggests. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #205

that is not what the OP claims with the fake quote Celerity Apr 2022 #207

Jeez, we get misattributed quotes on DU every day muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #225

It is not misattributed, both parts of the OP are fake news lies Celerity Apr 2022 #226

Yeah, why shouldn't we strive to be accurate? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #238

I strive to be accurate on DU muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #241

So saying the UK and New Zealand banned Fox News isn't a lie? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #242

People have pointed out they're incorrect; it can be done without venom muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #244

Civility is more important than truth, I get your point AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #247

"Stalking"? For fuck's sake, I replied to you once, and then continued that exchange muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #256

OP should delete this. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #249

Unfortunately we don't really have a clear-cut "this is bullshit" option for alerting... nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #250

There is, however, no malice in the OP muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #257

If there was no malice then it should be taken down AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #260

there is a certain amount of malice (or at least ill will) stopdiggin Apr 2022 #272

You see, "bald faced" is bollocks. "Lie" is going a bit too far. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #274

They are putting words in mouths stopdiggin Apr 2022 #275

People who are ok with authoritarianism always make the dumbest assumption Sympthsical Apr 2022 #173

Fake "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ____ ?" Because government only means Democrats. betsuni Apr 2022 #180

The whole Premise of those tweets Dorian Gray Apr 2022 #184

Yes. And it's now the top recommended post on DU. sl8 Apr 2022 #189

Fox viewers are less likely to believe lies after being paid to watch CNN for 30 days: study Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2022 #185

This is currently showing as the Greatest thread on the Home Page The King of Prussia Apr 2022 #190

But I doubt the OP will take it down. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #193

it makes the board look foolish, and hurts credibility Celerity Apr 2022 #212

Yep, as I said I've seen it before. BlackSkimmer Apr 2022 #234

Is it true these quotes are apocryphal? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2022 #199

yes, they both have been comprehensively debunked, yet it remains up Celerity Apr 2022 #210

lol this fuckin thread WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #202

It just keeps going... sarisataka Apr 2022 #248

Why is this thread still up? MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #206

good questions Celerity Apr 2022 #209

It certainly demonstrates the authoritarian streak of many on this site. Dial H For Hero Apr 2022 #211

It certainly does, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #213

Also shows how people comment on here without checking whether something is even factual. Jetheels Apr 2022 #215

There's lots of topics that will do that round here nt AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2022 #221

You should self-delete. nt Tommy Carcetti Apr 2022 #222

The usual UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #251

Hmmm. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #255

Guilty conscience? UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #267

Not in the slightest. Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #277

Interesting interpretation UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #282

K Jedi Guy Apr 2022 #283

nice to see you using a sexist trope defending disinformation that has been definitively debunked Celerity Apr 2022 #264

I'm four square against posting lies and misinformation stopdiggin Apr 2022 #273

That's nice UnderThisLaw Apr 2022 #281

I find it fairly easy to operate within those stopdiggin Apr 2022 #286

First Amendment which should be supported on a site like DU!!! nt Raine Apr 2022 #253

You would think so, but I guess we learn something new every day. nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #268