Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
84. This may sound naive
Tue Apr 5, 2022, 01:51 PM
Apr 2022

but I dont think its as simple as you describe.

First, Russia has always had a no-first-strike doctrine. Second, there isn't just a single red button Putin has to push.Their whole nuclear schema is built to be as a response to a first-strike. That was the point of MAD.

It isn't clear to me whether they could even technically launch a first-strike. Same goes for us.

The only times we've apparently ever gotten to the brink was when the system broke down and it "appeared" a launch had been made from the other side. Even then, there were enough intermediate steps--even if only one person with critical thinking skills--to prevent a launch.

I'd imagine since then, even *more* fail safes have been built into the system. The only reason to not do so is if one *wanted* to have first-strike ability. And according to MAD, well, that's madness.

Granted, Putin is evil and reckless, but is he *that* kind of "mad"? If he is, then there really is only one solution.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

It's okay, it's not here.... onecaliberal Apr 2022 #1
What? Evergreen Emerald Apr 2022 #12
THIS ISN'T ABOUT BIDEN!!!!!! onecaliberal Apr 2022 #15
Then who is the "we" you're talking about then? Steven Maurer Apr 2022 #29
NATO the UN, the fucking civilized world. Anyone you would be hoping to help if that were you and onecaliberal Apr 2022 #31
Thank you!!! Thought I was the only one. Found three more on another thread Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #43
Here's another one. hamsterjill Apr 2022 #82
Of course!!!!!!!:) Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #88
NATO is a defensive alliance. The UN a forum... Steven Maurer Apr 2022 #46
Look at this onecaliberal Apr 2022 #33
Yeah, only JFK deserved credit for preventing a nuclear WWIII. Justice matters. Apr 2022 #35
Aw, they were just trying to surrender. n/t EndlessWire Apr 2022 #42
Hardly similar. Human beings are being slaughtered in their homes & in fucking hospitals Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #44
Call the world's police. Justice matters. Apr 2022 #45
No shit FG not in charge. At least not technically.:( You and I are Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #49
I agree that we must prevent nuclear war. wnylib Apr 2022 #53
I don't care who made it: I post it for lurkers who don't yet know Justice matters. Apr 2022 #54
To me, the source makes a difference in terms of wnylib Apr 2022 #56
"we cannot risk escalation to a nuclear holocaust" Justice matters. Apr 2022 #58
We can do things because reasons. Justice matters. Apr 2022 #13
What is happening isn't because of Biden. It's been happening for decades. Putrid has rolled over onecaliberal Apr 2022 #16
We have and are doing a host of things to support Ukraine Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #25
The things we're doing are not stopping down men from onecaliberal Apr 2022 #40
Then what would you propose? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #41
Stop slaughter of innocents Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #57
What specifically do you propose be done that would accomplish that? nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #59
Wouldn't know. But know we spend $600+ billion with a B on defense each year Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #61
"Surely the military would know." Mariana Apr 2022 #64
Because those killings were from civil conflict within the countries. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #79
How? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #68
The more senseless bloodshed the American people see on TV, the more President Biden's numbers Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #87
How many American lives are you willing to lose? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #91
Lose me whenever someone Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #92
You are free to contact the Embassy of Ukraine Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #94
Ya... The ole armchairs against blind-faithers :) Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #95
I can only assume from your comment that you don't trust Biden to to make the right decisions? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #96
I don't trust anyone blindly. People being slaughtered and its Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #97
And armchair generals who want to blindly expand Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #98
You and I are diametrically opposed. If you're the worst on the other side I'm happy:) Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #99
Yes, we most certainly are Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #100
We are doing something. TomSlick Apr 2022 #47
???? So killing of civilians ok since most people don't give a shit? Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #62
Cowardice honestly Calculating Apr 2022 #65
Seriously? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #70
You don't know that though Calculating Apr 2022 #74
And you do not know that they would not do so Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #75
So you're willing to throw the people of Ukraine under the bus Calculating Apr 2022 #76
And you are willing to expand to a global catastrophe? Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #77
If that's what it takes to stop another holocaust Calculating Apr 2022 #78
Have a Wonderful National Deep Dish Pizza Day Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #80
Unless the world gives a shit, it condones the atrocities. TomSlick Apr 2022 #81
Nope. Not even an excuse like people had during WW2 because Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #89
Nevertheless, if the world really gives a shit the atrocities would be stopped. TomSlick Apr 2022 #90
Totally agree. You are absolutely positively correct Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2022 #93
So it is preferable to turn a very bad limited war into a global catastrophe. Sherman A1 Apr 2022 #69
He has aged 10 years since the start of this thing. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #2
I was just about to say that. He looks grim. Efilroft Sul Apr 2022 #3
Yes, if not 20 years Dave says Apr 2022 #4
I noticed the aging issue last week, but this picture is shocking. Irish_Dem Apr 2022 #5
I can never see him shaking hands with Russian negotiator and agreeing to give up anything Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 2022 #6
Given all the lies Russia has told, I can't see him doing it either sboatcar Apr 2022 #10
No. You need at least a scintilla of good faith in order to negotiate. AngryOldDem Apr 2022 #18
Indeed. HARDLY what you'd call "good faith." calimary Apr 2022 #22
Yes, says it all. Heartbreaking. FM123 Apr 2022 #7
Is our media still whining about the regime change "gaffe?" texasleo Apr 2022 #8
He has more leadership and courage in one eyebrow hair FoxNewsSucks Apr 2022 #9
I saw it on the news.... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #11
True. Sickening enough to see in brief news clips. calimary Apr 2022 #23
Ali Velshi was just on.... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #37
Shit. When I was still working, I worked with people who covered calimary Apr 2022 #38
I remember that. What a sick and twisted.... SergeStorms Apr 2022 #48
All I could think of was how close they both came. calimary Apr 2022 #63
Zelensky cksmithy Apr 2022 #14
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. sky_masterson Apr 2022 #17
I also watched the first episode, intrepidity Apr 2022 #83
This man is sincerely grieving, his heart is breaking FakeNoose Apr 2022 #19
My respect and admiration for him know no bounds. AngryOldDem Apr 2022 #20
Exhaustion, lack of sleep, not enough food. colorado_ufo Apr 2022 #21
Just shows the measure of the man. calimary Apr 2022 #24
His face reflects horror, deep grief that these summer_in_TX Apr 2022 #28
🤷‍♂️💖🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️💖 Cha Apr 2022 #26
Ukraine cannot be allowed to lose, even if it means sending NATO troops in. marie999 Apr 2022 #27
Is there a typo on your subject line? ShazzieB Apr 2022 #32
Yes, I just fixed it, thank you. marie999 Apr 2022 #34
My pleasure! 😊 ShazzieB Apr 2022 #39
If NATO troops enter Ukraine, causing WWIII, wnylib Apr 2022 #55
Again with this fear mongering Calculating Apr 2022 #66
It's not Russians releasing nukes over Ukraine wnylib Apr 2022 #72
This may sound naive intrepidity Apr 2022 #84
Yes, it is naive to believe that Russia has never wnylib Apr 2022 #86
General Wesley Clark (retired) says that Putin won't stop with Ukraine. marie999 Apr 2022 #71
No need to ask that question. wnylib Apr 2022 #73
Nobody wants them to lose, but. So fuck it? Let's have the whole world lose? OverBurn Apr 2022 #60
The Russians love Putin apparently Calculating Apr 2022 #67
I have seen that look before... 2naSalit Apr 2022 #30
By the look on his face, he'll never get over what he witnessed. My dad Emile Apr 2022 #36
This horrific look was very common I suspect after the "Civil War"...and as has been said.. Stuart G Apr 2022 #50
Because this is what leaders do Stinky The Clown Apr 2022 #51
The look on his face defines this quote from Civil War General William Tecum Sherman..."War is hell" Stuart G Apr 2022 #52
That face really does say it all. calimary Apr 2022 #85
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Volodymyr Zelenskyy visit...»Reply #84