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WarGamer

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65. It's quite a long answer and I'm cooking right now.

Tue Apr 5, 2022, 10:44 PM

Apr 2022

I would feel like I'm cheating you if I give a brief answer.

But I'll give you the Readers Digest version.

There really is no global community of man. We're tribal creatures, we always have been... from the steppes to the caves to the pyramids to the sky scrapers we are and always have been tribal creatures.

We can't be the global police force. There are wars that kill thousands in near constant status...

It's simply wrong. Morally wrong, financially wrong and practically wrong. We can't be the world's peacekeeper.

If you can't put your finger on WHY we should die for Ukraine but ignore Yemen and Aleppo... there's something else going on. And I don't mean specifically YOU...

Mankind IS war. We're still the primitive creatures that wore bear skins and threw spears. On an evolutionary scale, we were clubbing neighbors and stealing their women and children like 5 minutes ago... ah heck, what am I talking about? We still are!!!!

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Is there any point at which the US or Nato should intervene in Ukraine? [View all] iemanja Apr 2022 OP

Yes, we're there now. When we had proof of dead in the streets as they left Kyiv. Akoto Apr 2022 #1

We are intervening. We are providing weapons and we should provide bigger ones. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #2

Agreed. So far we have given the Ukrainians defensive weapons. Ray Bruns Apr 2022 #4

Artillery, jets, cruise missiles, and antimissile systems. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #12

More cruise missiles? AntiFascist Apr 2022 #15

About 2-3 weeks ago was a good time to intervene. BigmanPigman Apr 2022 #3

still under discussion 🤔 sprinkleeninow Apr 2022 #8

After todays liefest in the Security Council C_U_L8R Apr 2022 #5

Some members of Congress/Senate might want to join him. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #14

Gotta gaetz one of those. C_U_L8R Apr 2022 #26

Put it in your Josh Hauler. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #28

I think for me the line has already been crossed. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #6

Yes, I've arrived to that point. iemanja Apr 2022 #7

It wouldn't even need to be boots on the ground. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #19

I agree never say what you are not going to do. nt doc03 Apr 2022 #31

In retrospect, I agree with that iemanja Apr 2022 #41

I've gotten to this point. sprinkleeninow Apr 2022 #23

There is. taxi Apr 2022 #9

doesnt matter qazplm135 Apr 2022 #10

He can do the same in Poland iemanja Apr 2022 #13

He'll probably wait to attack Poland until after he's reinstalled Trump. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #20

Poland has already wanted to launch a peacekeeping mission into Ukraine... AntiFascist Apr 2022 #22

A peacekeeping mission? Mariana Apr 2022 #53

It would assist with humanitarian efforts... AntiFascist Apr 2022 #82

The rhetoric suggests they don't plan to stop with Ukraine but results will prove otherwise. Ace Rothstein Apr 2022 #44

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #100

They need to start receiving and training on The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2022 #11

I don't know whether they have time/resources to learn new NATO stuff, lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #17

I wish we would have had the foresight to begin training them last year. Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #24

Me too. The Unmitigated Gall Apr 2022 #27

Tanks are the new horse and buggy... death traps. WarGamer Apr 2022 #45

Increase the risk of WW3? No. Doodley Apr 2022 #16

There's a reflexive assumption that Putin will send nukes if we... lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #21

You seem to assume he is rational. When we have nukes in the hands of leaders who could Doodley Apr 2022 #78

then risk a repeat of WW2, when too many felt that diplomacy was the solution n/t AntiFascist Apr 2022 #25

I'm not seeing much diplomacy. Talking about regime change isn't the way to reach a diplomatic Doodley Apr 2022 #79

So basically there's no line he can't cross in Ukraine Calculating Apr 2022 #46

There's such a double standard of all the past atrocities, genocides, and mass starvation, where Doodley Apr 2022 #80

So that means we should turn our back on this genocide too? iemanja Apr 2022 #86

We aren't doing nothing. You seem to dismiss all that the Biden administration has done. Doodley Apr 2022 #87

I'm not dismissing it iemanja Apr 2022 #89

Where did I say we should do nothing? Doodley Apr 2022 #94

Where did I say we should do nothing? Doodley Apr 2022 #95

You said we'd done nothing in the past iemanja Apr 2022 #103

No. Doodley Apr 2022 #106

This is way above tbe Cuban missile crisis that seem to... TreasonousBastard Apr 2022 #18

Thank you for the most important point on this thread. We are dealing with a maniac who can Doodley Apr 2022 #81

Hard to believe people are still having this conversation. BannonsLiver Apr 2022 #29

How do you mean? iemanja Apr 2022 #34

Because it's been asked and answered ad nauseam. BannonsLiver Apr 2022 #97

Circumstances have changed iemanja Apr 2022 #104

Those MIGs should have been sent in weeks ago. They are doc03 Apr 2022 #30

So you send the Ukrainians ASM's and let's say they take down the Black Sea fleet... WarGamer Apr 2022 #43

We are dealing with actual monsters here Calculating Apr 2022 #47

What are we to do let Putin take over the world one bite at time a time. We have showed him over and doc03 Apr 2022 #51

NO! snort Apr 2022 #32

No, if Ukraine falls Putin will then attack one of the Baltic countries. marie999 Apr 2022 #35

That is not a foregone conclusion. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #36

He crossed that Red Line before nt doc03 Apr 2022 #54

Location and date, please. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #57

Syria, it is not a NATO country but the Red Line was drawn. Then TFG doc03 Apr 2022 #58

Syria is not a NATO country. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #61

But the Red Line was drawn at chemical weapons. The US got involved to combat ISIS doc03 Apr 2022 #84

Disagree WarGamer Apr 2022 #38

So today is Tuesday 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #39

There is no guarantee of that Mr. Chamberlain ripcord Apr 2022 #92

The US needs to deploy its most relevant weapon Wicked Blue Apr 2022 #33

We're already doing a lot. WarGamer Apr 2022 #37

Agree madville Apr 2022 #40

+1000 so true... WarGamer Apr 2022 #42

War is happening iemanja Apr 2022 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #88

No, my point is there is no anti-war position iemanja Apr 2022 #90

I can see your point, but I disagree with it, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #91

I hope you're right about the offensive weapons systems iemanja Apr 2022 #93

I hope so too, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #96

They need better tools then Calculating Apr 2022 #48

Agreed. I make nightmares... Justice matters. Apr 2022 #49

Why is one American life iemanja Apr 2022 #52

Just an honest question... 2 questions actually. WarGamer Apr 2022 #60

Because I wasn't informed to the same extent about those events iemanja Apr 2022 #62

It's quite a long answer and I'm cooking right now. WarGamer Apr 2022 #65

The reason Ukraine and not Yemen iemanja Apr 2022 #68

I 100% empathize with you. WarGamer Apr 2022 #71

Russia sent armies into Syria iemanja Apr 2022 #72

I was 100% wrong about Ukraine. WarGamer Apr 2022 #73

Big difference to me between a civil war and a invasion. EX500rider Apr 2022 #105

You could ask why is nuclear war worth every life in Ukraine? Pointless questions. Doodley Apr 2022 #76

So we never step in to stop Russia? iemanja Apr 2022 #85

We could have done that in WWII I guess nt doc03 Apr 2022 #55

That's not a great comparison. Mariana Apr 2022 #63

Putin's territorial ambitions are much like Hitler's iemanja Apr 2022 #64

The Brits haven't gone to war with Russia over Ukraine. Mariana Apr 2022 #67

Wait long enough iemanja Apr 2022 #69

Maybe so. Mariana Apr 2022 #74

No, it isn't a "perfect comparison." Doodley Apr 2022 #77

I am surprised at how many posts above are willing to condone any Russian atrocity TomSlick Apr 2022 #50

We are taking action. To potentially trigger Putin into escalating this to WMD is not Doodley Apr 2022 #75

We will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. TomSlick Apr 2022 #98

If the West condoned such atroticitites, they wouldn't be providing billions in aid Kaleva Apr 2022 #83

Spousal abuse rarely occurs in plain sight justifying a citizen's arrest. TomSlick Apr 2022 #99

Ok. Would you say you condone TFGs crimes.... Kaleva Apr 2022 #107

I did not have the physical possibility to attempt a citizen's arrest. TomSlick Apr 2022 #108

Biden has been correct to hold a strong line against military engagement David__77 Apr 2022 #56

Personally I think all the western countries.. EX500rider Apr 2022 #59

That's not a bad idea. iemanja Apr 2022 #66

That is an idea I could easily get behind. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2022 #101

Russia has mined Chuuku Davis Apr 2022 #102