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LuckyCharms

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6. Unfortunately in America, there are several people who are either
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 06:32 AM
Apr 2022

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2022, 11:00 PM - Edit history (6)

effectively above the law, or are able to just barely skirt existing laws enough to stay out of prison.

I'll try to give an example of what I am trying to say.

There have been relatively few individuals in the financial world who have been sent to prison for breaking financially related laws. Most people have only heard of Bernie Madoff, who was involved in a blatant and clearly unlawful Ponzi scheme, and Martha Stewart, who was sentenced for comparatively minor insider trading. But when looking at the big picture, only a very small amount of people go to prison for financially related crimes.

There are organizations called short hedge funds, who by all appearances, manage to operate within the law, but actually perform misdeeds. What they do is to short stocks to make a profit. Shorting a stock is borrowing a share(s) of stock from someone who owns the share, then they sell it, hoping that the share price will drop. When the price drops, they buy the stock back at a lower price, and return the stock to the person they borrowed it from. So they sell a stock at a high price and receive that cash, buy it back at a lower price and pay out a lower amount of cash to buy it back, and return the stock and record a profit.

Short selling is a perfectly legal, and it is said to create healthy liquidity in the market.

But here's the thing, things do not frequently work in the manner that I described above. What frequently happens is this...greed.

Many short hedge funds perform what is called "preditory shorting". This is when they short sell a stock, and then use hundreds of different tactics to purposely drive the price of a company's stock down so that they can profit. There's many tactics that they can use. Some are legal, some are arguably legal, some are illegal, some are arguably illegal, and some are merely shady and wrong. To explain all the tactics that can be used would require a post the length of a novel, so I won't address the tactics, but in summary, they short sell a stock and purposely try to drive companies into bankruptcy, get them de-listed from the stock exchange, and force the price of the stock to $0. This maximizes their profit, with the added benefit of them having to pay $0 taxes on that profit if the company does indeed go bankrupt.

They have performed this action with legitimate and valuable cancer research companies. They have performed this action by attacking companies who may momentarily be struggling, so they take advantage of that and try to drive them to bankruptcy.

Are these actions illegal? Sometimes yes, they are. If so, can these actions be proven in court? Yes they can. Is the SEC aware of these actions? Yes. Does the SEC have the manpower to recommend prosecution to the DOJ for all of these cases? No, they don't. Does the DOJ have other priorities? Most likely.

I think that in the legal world on the national level especially, everything boils down to this: There is so much fuckery and illegal or possibly illegal action being performed in every sector of this country, that on a national level with the DOJ, it boils down to which cases they decide to pursue. Manpower is limited, complex cases are hard to prove and require a lot of work. Even though a case is bad, the DOJ may choose to focus on a case that is worse.

Because of this, then yes, some people become *effectively* above the law. Actually they are not above the law, but effectively, they are. The end result is the same...no prosecution.

However, there is probably nothing worse than what Trump and his cronies have created. My current belief is that the DOJ is aggressively pursuing every person involved in this whole thing, including Trump himself. I pray this statement proves to be correct. The more people involved, the more complex the cases are when taken as a whole, and the more time they take to prove. Also, the DOJ cannot come out and announce that they are building a case until evidence gathering is completed. If they announce too early, then that hampers their ability to gather valid evidence. Essentially, it gives the people who they are looking to prosecute a "heads up", a warning that they are being looked at, and how they are being looked at. Hence, the standard line "we cannot comment on any potential ongoing investigations".

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in a corporate oligarchy that owns both courts ananda Apr 2022 #1
If that is true, how relevant is the Democratic Party? kentuck Apr 2022 #2
So true Farmer-Rick Apr 2022 #10
But we must keep "crimes" in perspective. kentuck Apr 2022 #12
Bernie was convicted because he stole money from rich people, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #17
Bernie's crime was he stole money DENVERPOPS Apr 2022 #52
It doesn't look good for this country... BlueJac Apr 2022 #3
That's the most important question that needs to be answered, the future of the country depends on it Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #4
I am not optimistic HAB911 Apr 2022 #5
Unfortunately in America, there are several people who are either LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #6
Good post. I learned something new today. dixiechiken1 Apr 2022 #18
Thanks, dixiechiken1 and LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #22
Yup, luv me some Little Feat! 👍😊 dixiechiken1 Apr 2022 #24
Me too! Especially when Lowell George was alive. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #27
Shorting the market is a legitimate investment strategy. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #31
Yes, that's the point I was attempting to convey about shorting... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #42
The SEC is a family of foxes guarding the family henhouse. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #43
I agree with everything you said here. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #44
Praying with you dwayneb Apr 2022 #59
Yes, it's an important question. llmart Apr 2022 #7
I agree with you llmart, slightlv Apr 2022 #29
Great and thought filled post. llmart Apr 2022 #45
It's too bad liberalgunwilltravel Apr 2022 #8
The only legal way to do it is with the US Tax Code... kentuck Apr 2022 #11
A wise man who is routinely bashed here, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #19
They are indeed The Wizard Apr 2022 #51
also Bernie. Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #65
He always says Bill Clinton and Democrats are neoliberal without mentioning that betsuni Apr 2022 #69
Don't assume they're not The Wizard Apr 2022 #49
Over forty years ago I asked myself that question. gibraltar72 Apr 2022 #9
I see depressingly little evidence to the contrary. Paladin Apr 2022 #13
+1 n/t area51 Apr 2022 #57
The answer is, the rich and powerful have always been above the law Mr. Ected Apr 2022 #14
I'm gonna start using that question when talking to Rs KS Toronado Apr 2022 #15
Those are exquisite questions. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #32
LOL, No they won't get huffy and stalk off KS Toronado Apr 2022 #35
I asked a Trump jihadist The Wizard Apr 2022 #50
Never understimate the power of propaganda (nt) dwayneb Apr 2022 #60
That was the premise of the Magna Carta Wednesdays Apr 2022 #16
Until proven otherwise Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #20
It is just not true and has not been true for a long time. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #21
In this country... kairos12 Apr 2022 #23
I have observed in my 73 years here there are two solids: Magoo48 Apr 2022 #25
All true dwayneb Apr 2022 #61
The rich and powerful have always been immune to our laws SoonerPride Apr 2022 #26
Not totally immune. When the rich and powerful piss off enough of their fellow... Silent3 Apr 2022 #28
The "law and order" party is above the law IronLionZion Apr 2022 #30
Is the question about theory or practice? SYFROYH Apr 2022 #33
As some have noted, it has always been theoretical.. kentuck Apr 2022 #34
That question has been answered in large part, over the years. Caliman73 Apr 2022 #36
True... The rich and powerful have always been above the law... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #37
Ohio Joe...Great post! kentuck Apr 2022 #38
Thanks for the post. NT SmallFry Apr 2022 #41
Thank you for all that info. True Blue American Apr 2022 #68
Clearly LOTS inthewind21 Apr 2022 #39
I would put forward the thought that we have been arguing this question non-stop for generations. SmallFry Apr 2022 #40
Interesting comment. kentuck Apr 2022 #46
The experiment will continue. SmallFry Apr 2022 #47
I wish I were certain... kentuck Apr 2022 #48
That is hopeful thinking dwayneb Apr 2022 #62
There is no guarantee. kentuck Apr 2022 #67
The Bush/Cheney regime answered that question for me. CaptainTruth Apr 2022 #53
+1 important question grantcart Apr 2022 #54
Lots of people are above the law. qwlauren35 Apr 2022 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author cayugafalls Apr 2022 #56
I have two words that describe our mess moniss Apr 2022 #58
Clearly many people are above the law. onecaliberal Apr 2022 #63
What an excellent thread! Thanks to all. yonder Apr 2022 #64
what part has the strategy "Look forward, not back" played in this mess? Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #66
Laws are for people with no money! Emile Apr 2022 #70
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