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Ohio Joe

(21,896 posts)
37. True... The rich and powerful have always been above the law...
Wed Apr 6, 2022, 10:45 AM
Apr 2022

In regard to TFG, 1/6 and Garland... I have some hope here and I have a bit of a hard time understanding why so many have completely given up. I've put this out before and not gotten a real answer. I get the feeling I'm thought of as delusional or overly hopeful... Sometimes worse. I like to think I'm looking at the facts of what has happened and what is happening... Let review.

Garland could have spent four years going after the low level thugs at the Capitol, had a bunch of show trials and called it a career. This was what I feared most at first.

But... He did not stop there.

He went after and caught the next level up and now has 12, including 2 not at the Capitol, charged with seditious conspiracy. Again, he could have stopped there... Had the trials and called it a career. At this point, he probably would have even been made to look as if he had gone above and beyond. A lot of people never expected the investigation to go that far.

But... Again, he did not stop there.

He flipped at least one of the seditious conspirators (that we know of) and in the agreement said he plans to use him in the Grand Jury (we'll get to that). He could have stopped there, not wanted him in a Grand Jury, and had the show trials doubly nailing the 12 in even bigger fashion and bigger TV clip drama with one of them on the stand pointing the finger.

But... Still he did not stop there.

He convened a Grand Jury. You do not do that unless you plan to go higher... And any higher is TFG's inner circle, in this case (with the flipper being Josua James) that mean Roger Stone. The same Roger Stone that currently is having a fairly public falling out with maga world. We also know that at this point there are at least eight of TFG's inner circle under investigation... They are:

TOM BARRACK
RUDY GIULIANI
ROBERT COSTELLO
SIDNEY POWELL
MARK MEADOWS
ALEX JONES
ROGER STONE
ERIK PRINCE

We also know what is needed... What is nice to have... What is known to be had... What is still needed... And how what is needed might be gotten to go directly after TFG, see this previous post of mine:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216561245

So... Where and when do you think Garland stops? Does he throw the Grand Jury to let them off? What if they indict? My suspicion is that this Grand Jury is just to go after the inner circle and not TFG yet... I think that for a reason... He has gone after this from day 1 as though it were a mob case, it certainly appears to me to be a text book mob case. Once he has indictments against the inner circle, you have a different set of defendants than any before... Older men who tried for a coup and failed... Older men now facing dying in jail going up against someone they know has them nailed.

I've heard some think that these guys will stay loyal and take the fall with the hopes of getting a pardon once TFG (or some other repug) takes office. I don't believe this... The reason I don't believe it is that they know much evidence will come out before mid-terms. Not in the dry manner of the Mueller report (though there will be a written report of everything) but the 1/4 committee also plans lots of nice ready for prime time viewing video clips to go along with the report... A wicked smart move. I am also very hopeful of indictments of at least some of the inner circle before the mid-terms... Together, I think this allows us to keep both houses... Perhaps even get some gains if the batshit crazy wing of the repugs keeps getting crazier. I fully expect some of this inner circle will see the writing on the wall and realize that there will be no pardons coming there way and that many of them will want to flip... Though I hope few are given the opportunity to leave jail alive.

The last two paragraphs are speculation on my part but I base it on what has happened, what we know and where we are today. I get the frustration of wanting TFG in cuffs already because we all know what the fuck he did... But knowing and proving things in a court of law are two different things and I sincerely believe that going for the biggest fish before the solid foundation of the mob case is built would only lead to him getting off... And that would certainly spell disaster... IMO a far bigger disaster then if the investigation does not convict him.

I respect you Kentuck, you certainly stand as one of the best at DU. I also share the frustration you are expressing here... I also hope this post gives you some hope that the good guys are not just sitting back and letting that little shit get away just because he is rich and powerful... That they are doing their best to give him the justice he so richly deserves.

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in a corporate oligarchy that owns both courts ananda Apr 2022 #1
If that is true, how relevant is the Democratic Party? kentuck Apr 2022 #2
So true Farmer-Rick Apr 2022 #10
But we must keep "crimes" in perspective. kentuck Apr 2022 #12
Bernie was convicted because he stole money from rich people, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #17
Bernie's crime was he stole money DENVERPOPS Apr 2022 #52
It doesn't look good for this country... BlueJac Apr 2022 #3
That's the most important question that needs to be answered, the future of the country depends on it Rhiannon12866 Apr 2022 #4
I am not optimistic HAB911 Apr 2022 #5
Unfortunately in America, there are several people who are either LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #6
Good post. I learned something new today. dixiechiken1 Apr 2022 #18
Thanks, dixiechiken1 and LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #22
Yup, luv me some Little Feat! 👍😊 dixiechiken1 Apr 2022 #24
Me too! Especially when Lowell George was alive. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #27
Shorting the market is a legitimate investment strategy. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #31
Yes, that's the point I was attempting to convey about shorting... LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #42
The SEC is a family of foxes guarding the family henhouse. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #43
I agree with everything you said here. LuckyCharms Apr 2022 #44
Praying with you dwayneb Apr 2022 #59
Yes, it's an important question. llmart Apr 2022 #7
I agree with you llmart, slightlv Apr 2022 #29
Great and thought filled post. llmart Apr 2022 #45
It's too bad liberalgunwilltravel Apr 2022 #8
The only legal way to do it is with the US Tax Code... kentuck Apr 2022 #11
A wise man who is routinely bashed here, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #19
They are indeed The Wizard Apr 2022 #51
also Bernie. Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #65
He always says Bill Clinton and Democrats are neoliberal without mentioning that betsuni Apr 2022 #69
Don't assume they're not The Wizard Apr 2022 #49
Over forty years ago I asked myself that question. gibraltar72 Apr 2022 #9
I see depressingly little evidence to the contrary. Paladin Apr 2022 #13
+1 n/t area51 Apr 2022 #57
The answer is, the rich and powerful have always been above the law Mr. Ected Apr 2022 #14
I'm gonna start using that question when talking to Rs KS Toronado Apr 2022 #15
Those are exquisite questions. jaxexpat Apr 2022 #32
LOL, No they won't get huffy and stalk off KS Toronado Apr 2022 #35
I asked a Trump jihadist The Wizard Apr 2022 #50
Never understimate the power of propaganda (nt) dwayneb Apr 2022 #60
That was the premise of the Magna Carta Wednesdays Apr 2022 #16
Until proven otherwise Ferrets are Cool Apr 2022 #20
It is just not true and has not been true for a long time. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #21
In this country... kairos12 Apr 2022 #23
I have observed in my 73 years here there are two solids: Magoo48 Apr 2022 #25
All true dwayneb Apr 2022 #61
The rich and powerful have always been immune to our laws SoonerPride Apr 2022 #26
Not totally immune. When the rich and powerful piss off enough of their fellow... Silent3 Apr 2022 #28
The "law and order" party is above the law IronLionZion Apr 2022 #30
Is the question about theory or practice? SYFROYH Apr 2022 #33
As some have noted, it has always been theoretical.. kentuck Apr 2022 #34
That question has been answered in large part, over the years. Caliman73 Apr 2022 #36
True... The rich and powerful have always been above the law... Ohio Joe Apr 2022 #37
Ohio Joe...Great post! kentuck Apr 2022 #38
Thanks for the post. NT SmallFry Apr 2022 #41
Thank you for all that info. True Blue American Apr 2022 #68
Clearly LOTS inthewind21 Apr 2022 #39
I would put forward the thought that we have been arguing this question non-stop for generations. SmallFry Apr 2022 #40
Interesting comment. kentuck Apr 2022 #46
The experiment will continue. SmallFry Apr 2022 #47
I wish I were certain... kentuck Apr 2022 #48
That is hopeful thinking dwayneb Apr 2022 #62
There is no guarantee. kentuck Apr 2022 #67
The Bush/Cheney regime answered that question for me. CaptainTruth Apr 2022 #53
+1 important question grantcart Apr 2022 #54
Lots of people are above the law. qwlauren35 Apr 2022 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author cayugafalls Apr 2022 #56
I have two words that describe our mess moniss Apr 2022 #58
Clearly many people are above the law. onecaliberal Apr 2022 #63
What an excellent thread! Thanks to all. yonder Apr 2022 #64
what part has the strategy "Look forward, not back" played in this mess? Grasswire2 Apr 2022 #66
Laws are for people with no money! Emile Apr 2022 #70
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