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RobinA

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125. I Blame

Tue Apr 12, 2022, 07:58 AM

Apr 2022

the culture AND education for this young people voting problem. They don't seem to see the connection between them and the community at large. They want to worry about "their" issues, but don't seem to see that they live in a interlocking society. What hurts grandma or pre-school kid hurts them. They're all environment, environment, environment, which is one issue. OK. But there are other, just as significant issues out there that will be a part of their present and future. They whine that social security won't be there for them so why should they care about it. So what are you doing to make sure it is there? Or is that not your issue?

We've gotten away from the notion that we are all part of a a matrix (in the old-fashioned sense) where a ripple here creates a wave over there.

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Psaki: Student loan borrowers likely to have to pay debt 'sometime' [View all] brooklynite Apr 2022 OP

It's just going to lose young voters qazplm135 Apr 2022 #1

I do not understand this mcar Apr 2022 #3

Getting fed up with the young people's excuses for not voting Walleye Apr 2022 #6

So am I. This is the same perennial refrain that always seems to reappear. It is a threat. In 2016 JohnSJ Apr 2022 #23

But Democrats have the majority ck4829 Apr 2022 #26

Do you believe every Democrat in Congress will vote for student loan forgiveness, especially in the JohnSJ Apr 2022 #27

I believe that Democrats will prioritize people over debts, I hope I'm not wrong ck4829 Apr 2022 #28

Then why don't Democrats introduce the bill in Congress? While many Democrats have said they JohnSJ Apr 2022 #30

Why doesn't Biden just forgive the amount he said he could during the campaign? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #42

Because in the real world, Biden cannot forgive student loans by executive order LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #95

Candidate Biden never said that he would cancel or forgive student debt. lapucelle Apr 2022 #118

Wah! Daddy promised! betsuni Apr 2022 #119

Yes he did. I know the spin now is that he was talking about signing legislation, Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #127

Here is EXACTLY what candidate Biden said. lapucelle Apr 2022 #133

"I'm prepared to write off $10K debt, but not $50K because I don't think I have the authority..." Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #135

President Biden has always maintained that he is prepared lapucelle Apr 2022 #146

So you are telling me that's what he meant when he said that during the campaign? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #147

OMG, so you think Americans believe the president can wave a wand and do what he wants all uponit7771 Apr 2022 #155

I'm not telling you that. Candidate Biden told everyone that. lapucelle Apr 2022 #163

A lot of young people went to the polls because of his stance on student debt Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #164

Biden's stance was that loan forgiveness was a matter for legislation. lapucelle Apr 2022 #165

"I'm prepared to write off $10K debt, but not $50K because I don't think I have the authority..." Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #166

No, millennials did not vote for Biden at a higher percentage than other age groups TexasTowelie Apr 2022 #177

A direct quote is not spin. N/T lapucelle Apr 2022 #134

"Biden said that he didn't have the power to do that " uponit7771 Apr 2022 #152

He said he didn't have the power to do $50K but was prepared to write off $10K. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #154

So the amount matters ?! No really, are you arguing EO would've done it? tia uponit7771 Apr 2022 #156

It was a campaign promise that was taken seriously by young voters Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #158

The question is; is it your position an EO would've eliminated the 10k of debt? tia uponit7771 Apr 2022 #159

It is my position that he said he would write off $10K of student debt for all. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #160

In context of constitution it doesn't make sense for willing to be conflated with able. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #161

So why did he say he could do $10K but not $50K? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #162

Again, my daughter *CAN* drive my car if I let her ... and "was he confused" is a RW trope please uponit7771 Apr 2022 #167

Then why did he say what he said? What did he mean? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #168

Candidate Biden was clear in the editorial he wrote for Medium when he was running for President. lapucelle Apr 2022 #173

Probably not BradAllison Apr 2022 #31

I think you mean Manchin. While some Democrats on loan forgiveness, most are with limits and JohnSJ Apr 2022 #32

Here's what I believe qazplm135 Apr 2022 #78

Kinda think it would take 60 votes in the Senate mcar Apr 2022 #59

nope qazplm135 Apr 2022 #76

You mean change the filibuster rule? mcar Apr 2022 #87

the same way it always works qazplm135 Apr 2022 #91

How does it work? mcar Apr 2022 #102

You do a reconciliation bill qazplm135 Apr 2022 #110

You need sixty votes in the Senate LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #67

no you can do exactly what the article talked about qazplm135 Apr 2022 #74

I do not expect an answer but I have asked the same two questions on several student debt threads LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #84

lol qazplm135 Apr 2022 #93

So you want to call my son and others who worked hard and paid off their debt suckers LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #97

There are all sorts of benefits qazplm135 Apr 2022 #111

If your concept of a policy is so fair, then get this bill adopted in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #112

Anyone who scrimped and saved for retirement qazplm135 Apr 2022 #144

Do you ever tire of being WRONG? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #149

and if the people qazplm135 Apr 2022 #171

The people pushing for Biden to cancel this debt by executive action are doing this for a reason LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #174

more nonsense qazplm135 Apr 2022 #179

Do you ever tire of being WRONG? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #180

lol qazplm135 Apr 2022 #183

... betsuni Apr 2022 #184

The fact that you think that this issue is clear amuses me LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #191

this is kinda sad for you qazplm135 Apr 2022 #193

I am surprised that you are an attorney LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #197

you haven't attempted any analysis qazplm135 Apr 2022 #198

Thank you for the laughs LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #199

yawn qazplm135 Apr 2022 #200

I am surprised given the really poor quality of your attempts at arguments LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #201

Four of the tweets you're using to bolster your arguments Rob H. Apr 2022 #202

Why couldn't it be done for the John Lewis Voting Rights Act? JustAnotherGen Apr 2022 #192

you can use filibuster carveout for the JLVRA qazplm135 Apr 2022 #194

I Blame RobinA Apr 2022 #125

That pretty much ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #136

In my day boys were being drafted who are not old enough to vote Walleye Apr 2022 #137

That is an ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #139

No I didn't mean it that way. I realize 18-year-olds have better things to think about. Walleye Apr 2022 #140

Everything I've said ForgedCrank Apr 2022 #141

I can't begin to understand why people don't vote. Walleye Apr 2022 #142

I am fed up with old people's excuses for voting for Republican. JanMichael Apr 2022 #175

That's OK I agree with that. The only way to beat them is to get more of our people out voting Walleye Apr 2022 #176

Here's the thing about loss of rights Effete Snob Apr 2022 #7

I was going to reply in a similar vein Sympthsical Apr 2022 #9

"and actually lambast those who bring it up" Effete Snob Apr 2022 #18

I find the attitude completely baffling in ostensible Democrats Sympthsical Apr 2022 #53

I agree it is baffling Effete Snob Apr 2022 #81

Rofl.. 😄 Budi Apr 2022 #109

... betsuni Apr 2022 #115

So once again we are putting women's rights on the back burner mcar Apr 2022 #19

We? Effete Snob Apr 2022 #22

White women voting for Trump is continually baffling to me mcar Apr 2022 #24

Post removed Post removed Apr 2022 #54

50% of student loans are held by post-graduate students mcar Apr 2022 #58

Hopefully you never need a doctor or lawyer Sympthsical Apr 2022 #64

Bless your heart mcar Apr 2022 #66

What you're advocating is for redistributing wealth upward iemanja Apr 2022 #106

+100000000000 betsuni Apr 2022 #113

Amen! brer cat Apr 2022 #121

Results qazplm135 Apr 2022 #10

So think about your last lecture to your young adult child (not necessarily yours, but in general) Doremus Apr 2022 #56

Actually my 30 YO nephew was saying that he and his friends mcar Apr 2022 #60

Post removed Post removed Apr 2022 #143

Good on You, mcar! Enlightening your Cha Apr 2022 #178

they didn't turn out for Sanders or Warren either JI7 Apr 2022 #12

So ignore qazplm135 Apr 2022 #14

In 2024, Millennials + Gen Z will equal Boomers and up in terms of actual VOTES, add in Xennials Celerity Apr 2022 #21

No, Biden Can't Forgive Student Loans By Executive Order LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #68

They're definitely going to extend past the mid terms Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #2

Did Biden run on eliminating $10K for student loan debtors? SharonClark Apr 2022 #4

No by executive fiat he didn't FBaggins Apr 2022 #16

Apparently this needs to be repeated on DU multiple times a week. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #33

"I'm prepared to write off $10K debt, but not $50K because I don't think I have the authority..." SYFROYH Apr 2022 #38

In the 2/16/21 tweet you posted, it is clearly referencing maxsolomon Apr 2022 #43

How does that make sense in the context of not writing off $50K because of a lack of authority? SYFROYH Apr 2022 #44

That's what he promised in 2020. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #46

They do give him credit for his promise to write off at least $10,000 SYFROYH Apr 2022 #49

I guess we'll just have to turn the country back over to the racist clown party maxsolomon Apr 2022 #50

Not necessarily, but I dont think gaslighting young people is the answer to securing their vote. SYFROYH Apr 2022 #51

Gaslighting, huh? maxsolomon Apr 2022 #90

... betsuni Apr 2022 #116

An odd notion of "gaslighting" FBaggins Apr 2022 #123

Well, at least you admit he said what he said, but didn't mean it. SYFROYH Apr 2022 #169

it's also clearly referencing "his authority" qazplm135 Apr 2022 #80

April 5th, 2021. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #83

stop qazplm135 Apr 2022 #94

... betsuni Apr 2022 #117

It is very annoying. betsuni Apr 2022 #47

You are correct LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #73

He did. SYFROYH Apr 2022 #39

Via legislation. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #41

That's nice, but that's not what he said at the town hall. SYFROYH Apr 2022 #45

You are Wrong LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #71

I've never quite seen qazplm135 Apr 2022 #145

Again, you are WRONG LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #148

stop qazplm135 Apr 2022 #170

If Congress were to send Biden a bill to cancel $10,000 in student debt, he'd be happy to sign it." LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #70

No, Joe Biden did not run on canceling $10,000 of student debt through executive order. lapucelle Apr 2022 #185

+1 betsuni Apr 2022 #186

Well then perhaps a certain amount should be forgiven and the whole predatory system be overhauled. Autumn Apr 2022 #5

That's a fine idea. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #34

+1 leftstreet Apr 2022 #48

A lot has already been forgiven mcar Apr 2022 #61

Not enough has been forgiven nt Autumn Apr 2022 #62

Perhaps not, but the Administration is working on it mcar Apr 2022 #65

There are two types of debt cancelled or forgiven LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #75

Senator Warren should write a Senate version of one of the two student debt relief bills lapucelle Apr 2022 #189

I would be curious to see what happens if she did draft such a bill. LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #190

Go have someone propose a bill to do this LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #72

Odd that no one calls for that mcar Apr 2022 #88

People are starting to ask and they are being ignored LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #92

There are three bills in Congress. Is that real world enough for you? Autumn Apr 2022 #96

That's good news mcar Apr 2022 #101

If you pay any attention you will see that they do promote them. I guess I missed them asking Biden Autumn Apr 2022 #103

They are all over Twitter, constantly mcar Apr 2022 #104

They are right. Since Biden did mention doing it when he campaigned today would be a very Autumn Apr 2022 #107

"Maybe get off Twitter and you might see one of them talking about the bills they have written betsuni Apr 2022 #114

Have any of these bills made it to committee? LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #182

This is going to mess them up with Young Voters Thrill Apr 2022 #8

People more afraid qazplm135 Apr 2022 #11

In Thrill Apr 2022 #13

"Young Voters" who went to college and took on debt that they haven't paid off yet FBaggins Apr 2022 #17

There are always people who are going to be upset kcr Apr 2022 #36

The context here is critical FBaggins Apr 2022 #37

Imagine having been crippled with polio just prior to the vaccine Effete Snob Apr 2022 #82

That's a pretty ridiculous comparison FBaggins Apr 2022 #105

Eliminating the interest would go a long way Johonny Apr 2022 #15

That seems fair. Luciferous Apr 2022 #124

Federal student loans are already at very low interest rates FBaggins Apr 2022 #126

They're not all at zero. That seems to be fair for now. uponit7771 Apr 2022 #150

Why do universities cost so much now anyway? PufPuf23 Apr 2022 #20

That's right mcar Apr 2022 #25

Republics have gutted state tuition subsidies. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #35

All my student debt didn't come from tuition Sympthsical Apr 2022 #55

What's the interest on student loans? Generic Brad Apr 2022 #29

The only way eliminating student loan debt makes sense madville Apr 2022 #40

What about the people who worked hard and paid off their student debt LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #79

Dont agree with eliminating $10k debt manicdem Apr 2022 #52

I'm a Democrat. I'm fine with this. Sympthsical Apr 2022 #57

I'm curious, when was that? nt. Mariana Apr 2022 #99

+1 Owl Apr 2022 #187

so qazplm135 Apr 2022 #195

5 facts about student loans - mcar Apr 2022 #63

Thank you. betsuni Apr 2022 #69

Thanks for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #86

My kids have student loan debt mcar Apr 2022 #89

+++ brer cat Apr 2022 #122

Exactly. mcar Apr 2022 #128

Bookmarking iemanja Apr 2022 #108

This is a major issue/question that I have about the plans to cancel student debt LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #77

Good questions, LMPV mcar Apr 2022 #85

Nothing. You just have to wait for your turn ecstatic Apr 2022 #100

I keep seeing demands that Joe Biden cancel student loans when we need legislation to do this LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #98

Two different student debt forgiveness bills have been introduced by Democratic representatives lapucelle Apr 2022 #120

I don't think we should in any way "buy" young people's votes with student debt forgiveness gulliver Apr 2022 #129

You do know that in 2020 Millennials voted for Biden at the highest percentage? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2022 #130

Some people are putting down young voters in a disgraceful way by suggesting they won't vote... gulliver Apr 2022 #131

Exactly. Owl Apr 2022 #188

lol qazplm135 Apr 2022 #196

A question for the naysayers about forgoiving student loans AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #132

Jeffrey Noordhoek, the CEO of Great Lakes parent firm Nelnet, is paid over 1.6 million per year Celerity Apr 2022 #138

😲😲😲 uponit7771 Apr 2022 #151

There may be better uses of the money needed LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #153

Student loans AntivaxHunters Apr 2022 #172

I don't see the word "likely" in her statement Niphu Apr 2022 #157

I have a relative with student loans.. KWR65 Apr 2022 #181