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JanMichael

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45. The data on 1900 was not easy to find

Thu Apr 14, 2022, 06:26 PM

Apr 2022

And it look like 1900 had similar suicide rates and homicide. After 1910 we really get into the ebb and flow of death. 1930 was bad, 1980 was bad, 1990 was bad, and now 2021 is bad.

https://cjrc.osu.edu/sites/default/files/History%20and%20Criminology%20figures.pdf

Then the 19th century...

https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/interdisciplinary/hvd/homicide-rates-american-west

Ebb and flow meant changes up and down over time. My issue was with the OP title. A certain number of people have almost always been shit with guns.

The good old days weren't that great when it comes to firearm violence.

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When I was young gun owners were responsible, evidently that was a long time ago [View all] ripcord Apr 2022 OP

It's So Much Safer With MORE Guns! The More The Better! SoCalDavidS Apr 2022 #1

An armed society is a safe and polite society LastDemocratInSC Apr 2022 #7

Yes, gun owners were responsible - for all of the shootings. Towlie Apr 2022 #31

Gun-humpers have never been safe. Hoyt Apr 2022 #2

If only all those guns Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #3

I don't remember this magical time. maxsolomon Apr 2022 #4

Ripcord is absolutely right Ferryboat Apr 2022 #5

Critical Gun Theory should be taught, kids you don't need a gun tucked in Hoyt Apr 2022 #10

Not unless Jilly_in_VA Apr 2022 #13

Excellent idea. multigraincracker Apr 2022 #15

Exactly. Hoyt Apr 2022 #16

When I was young, gun owners were dipshits then too Johnny2X2X Apr 2022 #6

Murder rate with guns was higher 50 years ago. Elessar Zappa Apr 2022 #8

Link, please. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #34

1990-2018 yagotme Apr 2022 #63

This is murder rate and has nothing to say about guns, and it is for 30 years. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #64

How's this? yagotme Apr 2022 #65

That's 20 years. But we do know that ALL violent crime is down since the 90s, Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #66

2d paragraph down. yagotme Apr 2022 #70

And how does that say that gun homicides today are lower than 50 years ago? Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #71

50 years ago equals 1970's yagotme Apr 2022 #73

Rose in 60s, rose in 70s, rose in 80s, fell in 90s, leveled out. That says Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #74

I had a couple of close calls when I was a child. iscooterliberally Apr 2022 #9

When you were young, they didn't hand out "Man Cards" with guns. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #11

Back when I was young, you could take your gun to school during hunting season Kaleva Apr 2022 #12

There were school shootings, even back then. Elessar Zappa Apr 2022 #17

1764. When a group of Native Americans shot and killed a teacher and several students. Kaleva Apr 2022 #21

Yes. Elessar Zappa Apr 2022 #25

But it was years between such events. Kaleva Apr 2022 #26

If you look up the history, at least since 1960 or so, Elessar Zappa Apr 2022 #28

The vast majority of us gun owners are responsible... VarryOn Apr 2022 #14

Kids today are growing up with assault style rifle in their homes and Hoyt Apr 2022 #18

If you were responsible gun owners, you would be the loudest voices demanding that your hobby Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #23

And if you cared about the issue, you'd be taking extraordinary action yourself. Kaleva Apr 2022 #27

Good lord! Are you still trying to get people to join you in your hunger strike?? Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #32

It is your right to not care much about about this issue. Kaleva Apr 2022 #39

As it is your right to troll people who have lost a loved one due to this issue. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #41

I'm just telling you scientific facts Kaleva Apr 2022 #47

Isn't it nauseating when you realize how base and sick trolls can be? I always find it so. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #49

Some feel contempt for and loathe those who talk tough but do nothing. Kaleva Apr 2022 #50

We have had this conversation before. You assert your "scientific fact" that a person Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #52

Quote the posts I made here about gun control. Are they similar to yours? Kaleva Apr 2022 #53

I notice you are encouraging people in another thread to sign up to fight in Ukraine. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #54

There are folks who are willing to put at risk the lives of others. Kaleva Apr 2022 #55

Shipping out soon, are you? Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #56

For what reason? Kaleva Apr 2022 #61

No, that's not what you were doing. You were telling someone that he should sign up to fight Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #62

You don't care much about gun control but you still discuss it. Kaleva Apr 2022 #67

TLDR. Enjoy your lunch Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #68

Enjoy your lunch too! Kaleva Apr 2022 #69

I'm just telling you scientific facts Kaleva Apr 2022 #48

Guns are quite regulated, depending on one where one is... VarryOn Apr 2022 #30

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's blood in the streets. And this doesn't happen Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #33

I wouldn't consider it a hobby for me really... VarryOn Apr 2022 #35

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This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Apr 2022 #57

Everyone inthewind21 Apr 2022 #58

Well, not "everyone"... yagotme Apr 2022 #72

Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #19

Gun deaths by homicide & suicide are not much different from JanMichael Apr 2022 #20

Link please. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #24

Question - the OP needs a link too, right? It is pure opinion. JanMichael Apr 2022 #37

So there's no source for your statement? Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #38

Why yes there is. JanMichael Apr 2022 #40

I don't see that chart in any of the 4 pages of the source you link. I DO, however, see Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #42

How odd- the link he posted is from 2022 Thtwudbeme Apr 2022 #43

I edited my post. The chart he is showing doesn't seem to show up in the link he gave. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #44

The data on 1900 was not easy to find JanMichael Apr 2022 #45

Those are homicide rates. They don't say anything about firearms. Scrivener7 Apr 2022 #46

I missed that magical time. SmallFry Apr 2022 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Apr 2022 #59

It's the norm inthewind21 Apr 2022 #60

I can even remember when the NRA was all about gun safety Buns_of_Fire Apr 2022 #29

Same here. Where I grew up in the rural inland Northwest, Roisin Ni Fiachra Apr 2022 #51