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RandySF

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Fri Apr 15, 2022, 02:47 AM Apr 2022

How Red States Plan to Reach Beyond Their Borders and Outlaw Abortion in America [View all]

Today’s anti-abortion movement has even proposed new laws that prevent people from crossing state lines to terminate a pregnancy. Republicans in Missouri are considering such legislation right now. Under the statute, Missouri’s citizens could sue doctors who perform an abortion on a Missouri resident in a different state—like neighboring Illinois, whose clinics serve countless Missourians. Missouri’s citizens could also sue anyone who facilitated the abortion, including the friend or family member who transported the patient across state lines. Similarly, in 2019, Georgia Republicans passed a sweeping law that appeared to impose criminal penalties on patients who traveled out of state for an abortion. The courts have put that law on hold, but the state may commence enforcement after Roe is overturned.

Is any of this legal? There is no way to say. The Supreme Court has never addressed whether states can bar their residents from traveling to another state to obtain a medical procedure, or punish out-of-state physicians who perform that procedure. When the Supreme Court refused to halt Texas’ S.B. 8 this fall, it signaled to other states that it would not halt creative schemes to nullify Roe. In December, during oral arguments in a case designed to overturn Roe, several justices all but announced that they will let states regulate abortion however they wish.

Jessie Hill, a professor at Case Western Reserve University School of Law, told me that “these sorts of attempts by states to regulate activity beyond their borders seem to directly contradict our most basic understandings about federalism and U.S. citizenship.” But, she added, “states are not always forbidden to regulate in ways that have an extraterritorial effect.” They may “have a strong argument that they are entitled to enforce their laws with respect to their own citizens.”

Here’s where the new goals of the anti-abortion movement matter most. If fetuses are legal “citizens,” then states could argue that they must be protected from out-of-state abortion providers. A red state might order a blue state to extradite an abortion provider (or patient) within its borders, dragging the judiciary into “complex, uncharted territory.” Or a red state could threaten to prosecute any provider who stepped inside its borders. Hill also pointed out that the Constitution also requires states to give “full faith and credit” to the judgments of other states’ courts. So if a Missouri court orders an Illinois doctor to pay damages for terminating a fetus from Missouri, the Illinois courts are, in theory, obligated to make him pay up.



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/abortion-bans-out-of-state-missouri-texas-oklahoma.html?via=rss_socialflow_twitter


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K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Apr 2022 #1
+1 Celerity Apr 2022 #5
plus 2 Demovictory9 Apr 2022 #26
OFFS..good luck with that. They wanna play that game, states providing abortions such as Il PortTack Apr 2022 #2
I read this about an hour ago PlanetBev Apr 2022 #3
Blue states need to start passing some aggressive legislation themselves Crunchy Frog Apr 2022 #4
I read in Politico that some states are doing just that PlanetBev Apr 2022 #9
My state Oregon will take anyone for abortion Tree Lady Apr 2022 #20
I was reading through California's protections NullTuples Apr 2022 #24
Make stalking women at abortion clinic a felony. roamer65 Apr 2022 #10
Well then.... BigOleDummy Apr 2022 #6
Funny, I was JUST thinking that. We can play this game too. I have a modest proposal... smirkymonkey Apr 2022 #16
We would have in state civil wars Tree Lady Apr 2022 #21
Nah, the SCOTUS would just rule for the red states. They've thrown away impartiality NullTuples Apr 2022 #25
I predicted this in law school in 1991 when we were studying the Commerce Clause no_hypocrisy Apr 2022 #7
Abortion is taking on a role in politics similar to what slavery did in the 1850's. roamer65 Apr 2022 #12
And you were right. "They" are trying to get abortions registered: is there any other medical ... Hekate Apr 2022 #17
Problem is, if SCOTUS goes off the rails... Girard442 Apr 2022 #8
It's bridges back to MO. roamer65 Apr 2022 #11
If the republicans ever get control of Mr.Bill Apr 2022 #13
United States of Taliban BlueWavePsych Apr 2022 #14
Yep, except the photo on the right is ISIS geardaddy Apr 2022 #15
At some point, doesn't turning you over to countless anonymous stalkers constitute ... eppur_se_muova Apr 2022 #18
I don't think any of these people suing will have Bettie Apr 2022 #19
So...let me ask: jmowreader Apr 2022 #22
They will take whatever steps they can get away with. OldBaldy1701E Apr 2022 #23
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