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FBaggins

(28,689 posts)
20. The difference is the lack of evidence
Wed Apr 20, 2022, 09:16 AM
Apr 2022

It isn't illegal for the president to use a cell phone (or other Oval Office line that isn't captured by that log). The story makes clear that it's pretty common (including the Obama administration). In fact - if the excerpt below represents presidential calls that wouldn't be logged... just about every Oval Office call depicted on The West Wing would escape the log.

It IS illegal to use any of those to conceal criminal activity, but that's circular. We can't say that the gap is evidence of criminal activity being concealed. Same for the "burner" notion. We knew that calls were being made and that they weren't in the log... so we assumed there was a "burner" phone involved. Except we now know that no burner phone was needed in order to avoid the log. Normal Oval Office calls also avoided the log.

if then-President Barrack Obama wanted to make a call to someone from the Oval Office, he would normally ask an aide seated nearby to dial the person. The aide would then call the number and hit transfer to connect the caller to the President.


That call would not show up on the log yet no burner phone was involved nor reason to believe that Obama was hiding illegal activity. The story was that we thought we had a clear smoking gun that evidence had been intentionally destroyed (itself a crime).

CREW alleges "destroying critical records" and "...portions of the call logs were destroyed to cover up..." - yet there's no evidence that either happened given what we now know.

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Didn't this issue go away shortly after it was discovered? FBaggins Apr 2022 #1
Obviously, CREW isn't satisfied with the explanation. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #2
An over 7 hour gap during the January 6 riot? SharonClark Apr 2022 #4
Here's what I found FBaggins Apr 2022 #6
Saying that Trump's calls did not go through the switchboard, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #8
Couldn't agree more. hamsterjill Apr 2022 #10
And the Obama staffer saying it was pretty standard practice for them as well? FBaggins Apr 2022 #11
What is the difference? gab13by13 Apr 2022 #16
The difference is the lack of evidence FBaggins Apr 2022 #20
CNN Effete Snob Apr 2022 #7
"From CREW's lips to DOJ's ears", as the saying goes. 70sEraVet Apr 2022 #3
One more link to add blogslug Apr 2022 #5
Get the bastards on the witness stand YESTERDAY! jaxexpat Apr 2022 #9
Good Luck Snackshack Apr 2022 #12
Mueller Report should be made public to just put that to bed, but no. Lucky Luciano Apr 2022 #18
sad that a citizens group has to kick DOJ in the ass to wake them up... Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #13
Are they afraid of Trump and his gang? twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #14
You know, that is a question that we should consider. gab13by13 Apr 2022 #17
Imagine if TFG is arrested and detained. They are armed and dangerous, twodogsbarking Apr 2022 #22
I just don't see how this iteration of the DOJ Alpeduez21 Apr 2022 #15
What is ironic to me is gab13by13 Apr 2022 #19
"Citizen Group Demands". Godd luck with that and get to the back of the line. Hotler Apr 2022 #21
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