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Caliman73

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103. True, but we have to go through the process ...

Fri Apr 22, 2022, 02:31 PM

Apr 2022

and the decision belongs to the judge or whatever other entity has been empaneled to rule on the merits of the case.

Regardless of the scenario presented to me, as I said, the question was, "What would your verdict be, Right Now?". Before any evidence is presented the verdict is "Not Guilty".

The problem here is that people are assuming that Greene clearly violated the law, without allowing the process to play out because Greene is a disgusting person.

We don't make legal decisions based on our dislike of the defendant. We make them on the bases of the facts presented whether preponderance of the evidence or the more stringent "beyond a reasonable doubt" needed in criminal cases.

I dislike Greene as much as anyone on DU, but I am not willing to take away her rights based on my dislike of her and nothing else.

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Official MTG hearing thread: OMG [View all] rainy Apr 2022 OP

Sorry, I haven't followed this at all. Claustrum Apr 2022 #1

14 th amendment disallows a candidate rainy Apr 2022 #2

She's already perjured herself noiretextatique Apr 2022 #3

The Judge is biased? Maybe because it was a stupid lawsuit. We need to beat these MFers Hoyt Apr 2022 #4

Can you explain why you're so against these challenges? Nevilledog Apr 2022 #6

One: they're a waste of time. brooklynite Apr 2022 #7

What's your common sense telling you? Emile Apr 2022 #10

Honestly? Not guilty. brooklynite Apr 2022 #14

I DO agree with you to a point. BUT bluestarone Apr 2022 #12

+1 terrible precedent stopdiggin Apr 2022 #25

Well, one: They focus some attention to wrongdoing. Hortensis Apr 2022 #55

The Wet Blanket Brigade is strong today. nt Tommy Carcetti Apr 2022 #9

never happy, always anticipating the worst.. agingdem Apr 2022 #23

Want her off the ballot, even if there is no evidence? Thankfully, not how it works in a true democr Hoyt Apr 2022 #28

Yes.. agingdem Apr 2022 #52

LOL. "We need to beat these MFers at polls" PSPS Apr 2022 #78

Actually, redistricting this year seems to favor Democrats. Besides, you post is exactly why I Hoyt Apr 2022 #87

Gerrymandering is antithetical to democracy. Sorry you think otherwise. PSPS Apr 2022 #90

Redistricting in not necessarily gerrymandering. Redistricing this year seems to favor Democrats. Hoyt Apr 2022 #95

If I may? mzmolly Apr 2022 #114

I'm assuming you have evidence she "Conspired" to overturn election. Wouldn't put it past her, but Hoyt Apr 2022 #118

Are you watching the hearing? mzmolly Apr 2022 #119

Didn't see any evidence of "conspiring." Clearly she's a POS and stupid. Hoyt Apr 2022 #120

You might consider her own words, mzmolly Apr 2022 #121

I would prefer her not to be on the ballot either, but... Caliman73 Apr 2022 #45

Hard to tell from your summary what was actually presented to you - Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #97

True, but we have to go through the process ... Caliman73 Apr 2022 #103

You left out a critical part of the question - Ms. Toad Apr 2022 #109

I support these challenges. Nevilledog Apr 2022 #48

I know. Tommy Carcetti Apr 2022 #53

I know. Nevilledog Apr 2022 #56

"This is not a frivolous challenge." Agree. Hortensis Apr 2022 #63

you're right... agingdem Apr 2022 #69

+1 nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #50

Because we are wasting our friggin time on crud that is in the past. We have things to do for people Hoyt Apr 2022 #11

Agree--she will fundraise off of this crimycarny Apr 2022 #31

I don't see how one can legitimately assert they are wasting your time. Or mine. Torchlight Apr 2022 #32

In a democracy, you don't try to remove folks from the ballot. You vote against them. Sorry. Hoyt Apr 2022 #35

No need to apologize, simply support your assertions with data. Torchlight Apr 2022 #37

A judge disagreed with you nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #62

What judge? Do you have a citation. Hoyt Apr 2022 #67

The judge who allowed the case to proceed nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #71

Allowing a case to proceed isn't finding her guilty, unqualified, etc. Hoyt Apr 2022 #76

i never said it was, but you said the only means to remove her is by the ballot, or should be nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #79

Nope. I said we need to vote her out, not try some BS to keep her off the ballot. Besides, there Hoyt Apr 2022 #85

I just read what you wrote again, but whatever nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #88

Are we missing that the point here is to DESTROY Hortensis Apr 2022 #70

biased or not stopdiggin Apr 2022 #22

Stupid lawsuit and junk, eh? "Do you have a citation?" Torchlight Apr 2022 #68

I had to stop watching because I came to the same opinion about the judge Siwsan Apr 2022 #5

definitely makes me shaky! rainy Apr 2022 #13

I'm not seeing any bias... brooklynite Apr 2022 #16

You may just have sussed me out! I'm a 'Law and Order' addict! Siwsan Apr 2022 #26

My wife was a former Federal Prosecutor brooklynite Apr 2022 #44

I fully admit I'm waiting for a 'Colonel Jessup pushed to the brink' kind of moment Siwsan Apr 2022 #47

Yep, usually boring as hell, unless you are into the actual practice of law. Caliman73 Apr 2022 #49

Google the Bopp Law Firm. redstatebluegirl Apr 2022 #8

That may certainly be the case... Caliman73 Apr 2022 #59

Whatever one might think of the suit tishaLA Apr 2022 #15

and OH MY GAWD, she's wearing her cross. 🤬 🤬 🤬 a kennedy Apr 2022 #17

Isn't that always part of her get-up? AngryOldDem Apr 2022 #107

Yup, do not care for this judge at all.....🤮 🤮 🤮 a kennedy Apr 2022 #18

Who was he appointed by? n/t RamblingRose Apr 2022 #30

Yah, I wonder that as well...... a kennedy Apr 2022 #33

Some info on the judge in the MTG hearing...... a kennedy Apr 2022 #91

He's doing a perfectly reasonable job. brooklynite Apr 2022 #93

A democratic governor nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #116

Just like Zell Miller was a Democratic Governor. RamblingRose Apr 2022 #122

yep nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #123

Poor little MTG keithbvadu2 Apr 2022 #19

and that smug look on her face, may I request a slap??? Or is that inappropriate?? a kennedy Apr 2022 #20

she is a smug idiot noiretextatique Apr 2022 #34

Her district deserves her. Raftergirl Apr 2022 #21

Wow. Our friends in that district have to hear Hortensis Apr 2022 #72

These fascists HATE having to accept cilla4progress Apr 2022 #24

where is the evidence of this widespread fraud? noiretextatique Apr 2022 #101

There sure is a lot MN2theMax Apr 2022 #27

Judge is not sustaining objections by the defense now noiretextatique Apr 2022 #29

I don't remember, I don't remember taking the oath of office, I just don't remember. Emile Apr 2022 #36

I don't remember: the refuge of a lying coward nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #38

I don't remember defense, LOL. Emile Apr 2022 #39

Does she suffer cognitive decline? tishaLA Apr 2022 #40

Brain damage? Emile Apr 2022 #42

Forget the 14th: She's making a great case for invoking the 25th! noiretextatique Apr 2022 #43

Nah, this is just your run-of-the-mill sociopathy in someone who is as dumb as a stump. nt GoCubsGo Apr 2022 #61

I don't think she had much room for decline jcgoldie Apr 2022 #74

She needs a doctor, her memory is concerning. ahem chowder66 Apr 2022 #41

Right?! Here we have an elected official who claims not to recall noiretextatique Apr 2022 #46

She's lying and she's very proud of it. chowder66 Apr 2022 #60

Clearly...I want to see that smug look wiped off her stupid face nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #65

Smug is what came to mind for me as well. chowder66 Apr 2022 #66

"I don't remember" "I don't recall" - when presented with direct evidence. AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2022 #51

RW nutcases believe the George Floyd protests "justify" the Capitol insurrection nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #57

Yep. And she just remembered the year 2019 of her Feb video calling for protests. chowder66 Apr 2022 #58

Yet another lie: she's a QAnon nutcase nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #54

This is not going well for the plaintiffs brooklynite Apr 2022 #64

true, and there does not seem to be a smoking gun on the horizon nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #73

i don't condone violence of any kind, but i bring my gun to work nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #75

The ronnie raygun defense... another waste of life Fullduplexxx Apr 2022 #77

I'm sorry Mossfern Apr 2022 #80

Same here PatSeg Apr 2022 #83

I've said that to my husband tons of times. No one takes their hats off anymore.....😡 a kennedy Apr 2022 #86

Is he dumbing down the questions for her? Mossfern Apr 2022 #81

The Plaintiff's lawyer is trying to get MTG to say she supported the insurrection. brooklynite Apr 2022 #82

Oh boy, now she is showing us how little of American history and government she really understands Novara Apr 2022 #84

She doesn't know much about the Proud Boys Mossfern Apr 2022 #89

one good thing about this case: she is lying under oath noiretextatique Apr 2022 #92

The testimony is a potential gold mine of evidence of perjury Wednesdays Apr 2022 #94

i agree...this dummy is so arrogant she is digging a big gaping hole noiretextatique Apr 2022 #96

now she is claiming the videos of her insane rantings are not authentic or take out of context noiretextatique Apr 2022 #98

FOR WHAT ITS WORTH!!! rainy Apr 2022 #99

FOR WHAT ITS WORTH!!! rainy Apr 2022 #100

I don't think she's taking this seriously Mossfern Apr 2022 #102

She is not taking it seriously at all noiretextatique Apr 2022 #104

She's not. AngryOldDem Apr 2022 #106

Reminds Me Of Rottenhouse Judge WiVoter Apr 2022 #105

Iteresting overhearing discussions on hot mike Mossfern Apr 2022 #108

If MTJ thought the crowd was BLM and antifa rainy Apr 2022 #110

Wish you were Mossfern Apr 2022 #112

excellent question nt noiretextatique Apr 2022 #117

It's a miracle, her memory is coming back when her lawyer is asking questions! Emile Apr 2022 #111

She sent that "be peaceful" video Mossfern Apr 2022 #113

I just put on an a.m. radio and the hosts are even calling her wacko and said she's not IcyPeas Apr 2022 #115