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muriel_volestrangler

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5. A counterfactual with them keeping nukes in the 90s gets complicated
Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:57 PM
Apr 2022

How much would they have had to spend to maintain them? What credible delivery system did they have, and how defensible was it against attack? What if a pro-Russia president, like Yanukovych, gave them to Russia anyway? What if him being in control of nukes had deterred the Maidan Revolution, or created a Ukrainian military that stuck with the president on the grounds that a coup in a nuclear-armed country is a bad thing?

The Pope had been doing OK, but seems to be trying to be neutral now:

Pope Francis has offered no shortage of kind words for the beleaguered people of Ukraine. He has decried the “cruel and senseless” war inflicted on them, blamed the invasion on an unnamed “potentate” and prayed for peace.
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Francis’s relationship with Ukrainians was “shaken to its core” in particular by the Vatican’s Way of the Cross procession through Rome’s Colosseum on Good Friday, say critics.

The Church had a Ukrainian and a Russian woman hold the cross during the procession, accompanied by a text that stressed peace and reconciliation between peoples — but made no mention of who had started the war and prosecuted it so brutally.
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Then, on the same day, the Vatican’s Kyiv ambassador and a cardinal from Poland met with the main Ukrainian leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, which has acted as sort of a spiritual cheerleader for the invasion.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/why-the-popes-gesture-of-ukraine-russia-reconciliation-has-angered-many-followers

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It's almost like "Christianity" is on hiatus. dchill Apr 2022 #1
And the pulpit leaders calling for Joe to be jailed... and the Chosen One to be resurrected. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #11
I find, anymore, many people don't give a damn unless something directly involves them. RKP5637 Apr 2022 #2
Sadly, I agree. U.S. just tuning out for the large part. Not all, but millions just don't give a Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #10
Nope. It sure wouldn't be. onecaliberal Apr 2022 #3
Are we 100% that Ukraine didn't keep a spare? shelshaw Apr 2022 #4
A counterfactual with them keeping nukes in the 90s gets complicated muriel_volestrangler Apr 2022 #5
Sigh. Thanks for the response. Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #9
I think our disinterest goes far beyond one conflict. Torchlight Apr 2022 #6
Not disagreeing at all. You are correct Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #7
Agree w/Muriel above, but also Ukraine never had control of the nukes. The okaawhatever Apr 2022 #8
They weren't Ukraine's nuclear weapons. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #12
Well that sucks. They had no control and the nukes were in Ukraine? Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #13
It was similar to (though not exactly like) federal properties in individual states. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2022 #15
Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2022 #17
The weapons would be useless by now DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2022 #14
thanks. Good analysis Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #16
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