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brooklynite

(95,406 posts)
8. Lets be clear about what there IS and IS NOT evidence for....
Sat Apr 30, 2022, 08:32 AM
Apr 2022

("we know what Trump" wanted is unprovable and irrelevant)

Trump and his campaign staff and his WH staff wanted to delay/prevent approval of the electoral votes by Congress, in the hope that Republican controlled States would then rescind their appointments of electors. However, all documentation indicates that this process would be by legal means (eg pressuring Republicans to object to certification and delay the approval process). Trump stated at the protest rally that people should go to the Capitol to pressure the Republican members to do this. He did NOT say to enter the Capitol building, to threaten violence or to physically stop the certification process.

Trump's campaign organized and promoted his "Stop the Steal" protest rally at the Washington Monument. It was fully permitted and my all accounts non-violent. There is no evidence that his "Will be Wild" tweet was intended as more than his usual over-the-top hype./

Members of the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, 3%ers etc have confessed to planning an organized effort after the rally to enter the Capitol and brought equipment and weapons to force a stop to the certification process. There is no evidence to date of PLANS to kidnap, assault or kill anyone inside. (The "gallows" that everyone points to was too small to be a functional device, and "hanging in effigy" has been a protest form for over a century).

Some of the participants who entered the Capitol said they "believed" that Trump was telling them to do so through his language. However there is NO evidence that Trump, his staff or his campaign team OR Republican members of Congress knew of such plans, supported them, encouraged them or assisted them.

Trump called for a "big protest" on December 19th on Twitter. TwilightZone Apr 2022 #1
The be wild part was telegraphing his intent bottomofthehill Apr 2022 #4
That's a good point, despite serendipity, the 4 corners, diversity, rag tag attire bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #2
I will take a shot at answering bottomofthehill Apr 2022 #3
I'm satisfied that I and many others know. Now it's time for me and these others to abqtommy Apr 2022 #5
With all due respect, it is almost past time for that. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Apr 2022 #9
It was obvious to me ahead of time Effete Snob Apr 2022 #6
Isn't that the base? 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2022 #7
Lets be clear about what there IS and IS NOT evidence for.... brooklynite Apr 2022 #8
Couple of points. bottomofthehill Apr 2022 #11
Political people use "fight" all the time. brooklynite Apr 2022 #14
Yes, but when pointing them to a target and the actual fight breaks out bottomofthehill Apr 2022 #15
Most of the people at the rally were not "dressed and armed for battle" brooklynite Apr 2022 #20
Most inside the screening were not most outside the screening were bottomofthehill May 2022 #29
This is a partial list of what the Service keeps out. bottomofthehill May 2022 #30
The gallows was meant to intimidate Pence, gab13by13 Apr 2022 #17
There is no evidence that the people at the Willard discussed anything other than the rally. brooklynite Apr 2022 #21
Fake electors? harumph Apr 2022 #19
Intent is frequently subjective Effete Snob Apr 2022 #26
Right. Novara May 2022 #31
What's clear is that the public doesn't 'know' much about the wiggs May 2022 #32
They were tourists mercuryblues Apr 2022 #10
It was a gallows but I am with you. bottomofthehill Apr 2022 #12
ah yes. You are right. mercuryblues Apr 2022 #13
Totally with you on the comments though. bottomofthehill Apr 2022 #16
Thank you mercuryblues Apr 2022 #18
Because Ginni Thomas arranged a road trip!! gibraltar72 Apr 2022 #22
Facebook enters the conversation. Swede Apr 2022 #23
Yes, Facebook spinbaby May 2022 #33
It seems like there were a minimum of guns hydrolastic Apr 2022 #24
I think I read that they left them in their hotel rooms... kentuck Apr 2022 #25
We will never know how many had firearms bottomofthehill May 2022 #27
Not only across the River. Some drove them into town and left them in their cars. bottomofthehill May 2022 #28
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