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Joe Nation

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Sun May 1, 2022, 12:51 PM May 2022

Tired of the "Defund the Police" label [View all]

I know precious few Democrats that actually want to "defund the police" in this country. But none the less, this is exactly how the Right characterizes the Democrats every chance they get. It is a Right-wing tailor-made scare tactic that came along during the George Floyd pretests and they haven't let it go since. Defunding the police isn't the answer even as we witness video after video of police malfeasance across the country with few officers ever held accountable.

As a Democrat, I don't want to see the police defunded. What I want is far more civilian oversight and police accountability, and it is long overdue in my opinion. If you have any organization tasked with protecting the public and trusted with the use of deadly force, it is absurd to think that this organization should investigate itself and police its own. That is a recipe for corruption in just about any situation.

I couldn't agree more that police have a hard job. Police are being used to do work they were never trained to do. Nobody suggests that police work isn't difficult or even dangerous but when it is done with a lack of transparency, it just makes the job that much harder because you lose the trust of the public. You lose good officers that are unwilling to participate in the inevitable cover-ups, and you corrupt otherwise honest cops that go along to get along. It's a self-defeating dynamic that slides further and further into an authoritarian security nightmare.

A list of suggestions for improved community policing:

-Fund mental health personnel for domestic issues that do not need police involvement
-Extend police training from 6 weeks to one year
-Set-up civilian review boards with teeth to oversee individual police activities
-Put more cameras on the police, on their cars, and in high crime areas
-Hold officers accountable if they break the law and make them ineligible to serve anywhere if they are fired
-Embed non-police personnel with patrol officers
-Put their pensions on the line if they are found to have committed illegal acts as policemen
-Pay them more

The overall goal is oversight and accountability. Without such steps, we will only see the distance between community policing and the communities they serve grow wider.








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There needs to be a complete rethink of what policing is JCMach1 May 2022 #1
When the christofascists cut police budgets or attack first responder retirement packages... Thomas Hurt May 2022 #2
Good ideas. Training from 6 wks to a year is especially appealing. brush May 2022 #3
. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #4
Reallocate the police is more what was intended I think. But.... Kashkakat v.2.0 May 2022 #5
Cops don't need to be paid more poli-junkie May 2022 #6
Not even close. The average salary for a police officer in the US is $55k per year. Jedi Guy May 2022 #7
My local Santa Barbara figures poli-junkie May 2022 #8
Again, not even close. Jedi Guy May 2022 #10
City of SB jobs: poli-junkie May 2022 #15
Fair enough. I would point out, however, that the range is $90k to $110k. Jedi Guy May 2022 #17
Require at least an AA degree poli-junkie May 2022 #30
Many departments do these days, though I agree all should. Jedi Guy May 2022 #35
does your figure include ot? mopinko May 2022 #12
Chicago police quickly have a base rate of high 5 figures. former9thward May 2022 #21
I think it is usually the overtime. At least from every cop I know. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #38
I'm fine with raising teachers' salaries, too. Jedi Guy May 2022 #51
+1 ck4829 May 2022 #57
"Embed non-police personnel with patrol officers." Jedi Guy May 2022 #9
It was a scare tactic that the trump Klan concocted in 2020 liberal N proud May 2022 #11
Oh, it regularly makes the rounds on the moderate left as a more reform-minded alternative to the WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #27
+1, dems should use Scotts tax raises as a stoke even more than GZP used Defend policing uponit7771 May 2022 #33
More training, more standards, more rules, more accountability. bucolic_frolic May 2022 #13
True. To the best of my knowledge, there are no national standards for anything. Jedi Guy May 2022 #24
Some keep bringing this up but i haven't heard one person say this or seen one sign anywhere in my Samrob May 2022 #14
"i haven't heard one person say this" Jedi Guy May 2022 #25
+1, cause it was a 2020 GZP stoke now GZP is trying to get past J6 revelations they don't have much uponit7771 May 2022 #34
You know what repugs read in your post? Ferrets are Cool May 2022 #16
not just Rethugs, a shedload of Indies, Latinos, and Asians as well. All 4 groups, on balance, Celerity May 2022 #19
Unfortunately, you must live with the meme that STUCK Model35mech May 2022 #18
Big difference with CRT though. Some Dems stupidly DID call for defunding the police with that Celerity May 2022 #20
"old massa treated his slaves with kindness and love" Jedi Guy May 2022 #26
yeppers, it enrages me as well Celerity May 2022 #36
THe point is CRTers and AntiCRTers interpret CRT VERY differently Model35mech May 2022 #29
That is obvious in face value. Rethugs try to weaponise and change meanings all the time. Celerity May 2022 #32
Personal experience Precipice_dweller May 2022 #22
I am a Democrat and 100% support defunding the police. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #23
A few questions, if I may. Jedi Guy May 2022 #28
Quick responses Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #37
Hm. Well... Jedi Guy May 2022 #55
I'm a Democrat and I'd rather abolish the police. What we have now is unreformable. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #31
Word. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #39
Presuming they are in fact abolished, who (if anyone) would enforce laws? Dial H For Hero May 2022 #40
Who enforces them now? WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #41
The system is flawed, granted. But the question remains. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #42
. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #43
The question still remains, though. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #44
What happens now? WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #46
Many of them (not enough, granted) are arrested, convicted, and imprisoned. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2022 #49
I'm certain I'm not going to be able to give you an answer that works for you. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #50
I'm not looking for an answer that just "works for me", but a concrete proposal. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #52
. WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #53
Still not the slightest detail. Dial H For Hero May 2022 #54
I never hear it tavernier May 2022 #45
A national policing standard needs to be established bluecollar2 May 2022 #47
Is "Defund the Police" STILL a bad idea? Especially considering what they can do with those funds? ck4829 May 2022 #56
Community planning is too freakin complicated for small brains RANDYWILDMAN May 2022 #58
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