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51. "Where communal structures

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:56 PM

Jan 2012

FAIL is when consensus can not be reached. If there are no existing leaders, leaders WILL emerge ... and they will rally support, and many will give them respect, and decide that those leaders have earned authority"

Which takes us back to the Paris Commune - a really good try. The failure happened because they didn't defend against outside aggressors. How do you do that without becoming too authoritarian? That remains the big question. It seems that Occupy is trying to answer that. We will see how they do.

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Anyone here, deep in their heart, an Anarchist? [View all] Taverner Jan 2012 OP

Yep hobbit709 Jan 2012 #1

Present. n/t Mnemosyne Jan 2012 #2

Anti-authority as a reflex is no good- digonswine Jan 2012 #3

Yep, this is the way I see it too. The problem is, too many politicans anymore IMO RKP5637 Jan 2012 #7

I don't know about that- digonswine Jan 2012 #15

You are quite right!!! The way the system works most people get F'ed over by RKP5637 Jan 2012 #30

By the way- digonswine Jan 2012 #55

Power corrputs. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Taverner Jan 2012 #8

Power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat! n/t backscatter712 Jan 2012 #68

Yup... villager Jan 2012 #4

I am partly dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #5

It depends on the authority. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #6

Just to make a short statment, the current system we live RKP5637 Jan 2012 #9

Wow! That's two things you have said today that ...... oldhippie Jan 2012 #19

Lol, sorry! sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #36

Internet forums are intrinsically authoritarian, there is a central server... joshcryer Jan 2012 #80

They say we (Anarchists) can't rule ourselves, but they let us vote for our rulers NightWatcher Jan 2012 #10

Authority certainly must be hard earned and never given. Dawson Leery Jan 2012 #11

No. But I have always felt obligated to question authority notadmblnd Jan 2012 #12

Totally nt Taverner Jan 2012 #13

Yes, it does! Authority should always be questioned. RKP5637 Jan 2012 #31

Not just deep in my heart... RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #14

Over here! Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #16

Yes it's true. obliviously Jan 2012 #17

Definitely salib Jan 2012 #18

Libertarianism is a much younger concept, it was invented because the capitalists... joshcryer Jan 2012 #81

In fact the term "libertarain" was coined by an anarchist writer in the late 1800's. white_wolf Jan 2012 #83

Yeah, "libertarian" was originally a socialist term. George Orwell would be proud... joshcryer Jan 2012 #84

yep knowbody0 Jan 2012 #20

I am n/t deutsey Jan 2012 #21

Only in a Graeber-esque way Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #22

Me too Taverner Jan 2012 #28

Its either a delicate balance or a hopeless muddle... bhikkhu Jan 2012 #23

No, but I may be the anti-christ. Fuzz Jan 2012 #24

As a Tourette, I believe in Freedom of thought and perspectives.;.. opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #25

I believe in antidisestablishmentarianism. Our ability to set up societal structures WonderGrunion Jan 2012 #26

The problem with anarchy is that someone always comes along and takes it away. DeadEyeDyck Jan 2012 #27

I am no doubt an anarchist, but that means I don't attach power to origins alcibiades_mystery Jan 2012 #29

Authority is something we project onto others. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #32

Yes. "Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #33

No, deep down inside, I'm a dog. EFerrari Jan 2012 #34

Dogs don't have to be "Animal Farm" dogs... Taverner Jan 2012 #37

watch out for pigs on the wing.. G_j Jan 2012 #57

When I see, hear or read anything anarchical... Tikki Jan 2012 #35

No. I think we need laws to protect the vulnerable (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #38

NO. Not just no, but Hell, No! NashvilleLefty Jan 2012 #39

Anarchism is not Anarchy... Taverner Jan 2012 #41

I'm a laissez-faire Anarchist Canuckistanian Jan 2012 #40

if i say 'yes', will i still be an anarchist? marasinghe Jan 2012 #42

"i would think that every form of authority - from autocracy through to supposed anarchy... Taverner Jan 2012 #44

Been accused here of being an anarchist graywarrior Jan 2012 #43

nope Mudoria Jan 2012 #45

I think you are describing 2 very different things. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #46

You Are Right - HOWEVER.... Taverner Jan 2012 #47

LOL ... I love your honesty!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #48

Night away from co-parent tonight Taverner Jan 2012 #49

I'm dying now!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #50

"Where communal structures TBF Jan 2012 #51

My comment had nothing to do with "outside aggressors" JoePhilly Jan 2012 #54

I understand what you are saying and disagree with that concept - TBF Jan 2012 #72

My point is that the emergence of leaders transcends capitalism. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #75

Pretty close ... TBF Jan 2012 #52

My 15-year-old brother is........ AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #53

Red-baiting, TBF Jan 2012 #73

No, not quite. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #85

"One who detests authority of all forms" Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #56

stupid authority bugs me roguevalley Jan 2012 #58

"Patriotism is voluntary." bemildred Jan 2012 #59

Checking in n/t agent46 Jan 2012 #60

Where is joshcryer? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #61

Josh is an Antichrist? pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #62

Sometimes I'm not so sure... ellisonz Jan 2012 #63

Good to know I'm not the only one he confuses. white_wolf Jan 2012 #74

That's due to pragmatism and politics. joshcryer Jan 2012 #76

Is it anarchist to believe authority and respect should be earned and not simply given? Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #64

Yep. TransitJohn Jan 2012 #65

authority yes, respect no. Sirveri Jan 2012 #66

Yep. It's time our government learn that its authority needs to be earned, not extorted. n/t backscatter712 Jan 2012 #67

Who died and made YOU speaker for anarchists?!!11! JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2012 #69

I think everyone is, until they get sick. Festivito Jan 2012 #70

That introduces a discussion on anarchism and specialization. joshcryer Jan 2012 #79

Authority and I have been on the 'outs' for years. Solly Mack Jan 2012 #71

not quite ready to come out of that particular closet dembotoz Jan 2012 #77

I'm with you varelse Jan 2012 #78

I am willing to be led when it is clear to me that the person doing the leading is... MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #82