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53. I'm not a M4A fan, and ESPECIALLY not for using that name ...

Mon May 9, 2022, 06:03 PM

May 2022

My point is if Nina believes M4A means universal health care (and believes it's the only practical means to achieve it), then it would not be out of line to say that's it's ridiculous to claim you're 'pro-life' ... and oppose it. There likely IS a legitimate correlation in HER mind, even if others could pick it apart as you have here.

She should've said Universal Health Care, I wholly agree.

But it seems like some are reading this argument in the converse, such as that it implies that if you're pro-choice, you should therefore be pro-M4A. But that doesn't logically follow. Pro-Choice is specific to abortion, whereas 'pro-life' implies a much broader stance i.e. 'all life', for one thing, but it doesn't even logically follow period.

Anyways, I don't really like her, or M4A (as a name, at minimum), so ... I'm done explaining my point, no need to reply

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One has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other. Leave it to Nina to conflate the 2. [View all] Budi May 2022 OP

Gotta keep the grift going... nt AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #1

Waiting to see how many anti Democratic slogans she can wrap under the cover of pro life. Budi May 2022 #3

Not that I'm a Nina fan, but I see her point here Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #2

The SC fiasco with Roe & Pro-life has nothing to do with M4A. Budi May 2022 #7

How's this ... if you claim you are 'pro-life', you should support universal health care Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #18

Some people just like to bash liberals. FoxNewsSucks May 2022 #30

This is a Democratic site. People who refuse to support Democratic nominees lapucelle May 2022 #116

What about Democratic politicians who refuse to support their Democratic President? FoxNewsSucks May 2022 #130

Last time I checked, Democrats are allowed to disagree on policy. lapucelle May 2022 #131

That statistic has been shown to be pointless. FoxNewsSucks May 2022 #132

Who has shown Nate Silver's data to be "pointless"? lapucelle May 2022 #143

Why tie them together? M4All is fine but is not top of the news... brush May 2022 #31

I think it's a Distraciton.. NT advocated 3rd Party Cha May 2022 #57

Hi, Cha. Yeah, I remember. She's a Justice Democrat... brush May 2022 #59

Yeah, SO Happy Rep Shontel Bronw WON!! Cha May 2022 #62

How many times has she lost now? LiberalFighter May 2022 #146

She's using the sudden horror of loss of Roe to sell the slogan M4A Budi May 2022 #35

Exactly. It's just a fantasy that was rejected by voters That's reality. Nixie May 2022 #107

Just so I'm clear Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #135

Just so you're clear, it's actually two elections that were lost. Nixie May 2022 #154

Universal healthcare is not identical to Medicare for all. yardwork May 2022 #36

They can't even explain M4A so the go-to sell is 'universal health care!'. Which it is not Budi May 2022 #47

I'm not a M4A fan, and ESPECIALLY not for using that name ... Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #53

When we have to explain what she might have meant to say... Budi May 2022 #55

+1000 sheshe2 May 2022 #73

I think what she meant was pretty obviously ... what I said. I had no confusion. Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #109

+1 betsuni May 2022 #81

While that statement is accurate, Turner is using the argument in bad faith. Caliman73 May 2022 #69

Nina always bashes Democrats. sheshe2 May 2022 #74

Like I said, bad faith argument. Caliman73 May 2022 #76

She is bashing pro lifers in this case questionseverything May 2022 #99

Ah I see she is going back to a previous chew toy mcar May 2022 #4

Or a hint of admission that the real fk up happened back in 2016 Budi May 2022 #8

That's right mcar May 2022 #9

They did! Said SC wasn't an issue & Planned Parenthood was "ESTABLISHMENT" Budi May 2022 #16

Yup. sheshe2 May 2022 #75

I missed the horse that rode in here on DU... blue sky at night May 2022 #5

I think it's stuff like this. Phoenix61 May 2022 #11

R E A L L Y.... blue sky at night May 2022 #15

Oh please. Nina's got an anti Democratic history years long Budi May 2022 #21

Oh.A Democrat?! sheshe2 May 2022 #90

Yes, I really need to get a life iemanja May 2022 #103

Post removed Post removed May 2022 #120

Stein's pic, sitting at Putin's table & Nina's a lobbyist for Mercury Global, who supports Putin. Budi May 2022 #19

I didn't know about Mercury Global. Thanks! nt Phoenix61 May 2022 #20

Yes. Mercury was one of the foreign corps listed on the Mueller report. Budi May 2022 #23

Sheesh, I'll take your word for it. nt Phoenix61 May 2022 #24

Her hatered of the Democratic mainstream defies common sense. Beastly Boy May 2022 #12

+1 betsuni May 2022 #34

It's a Distraction, imo.. Maybe if NT hadn't Cha May 2022 #61

Certainly a possibility, if not a probability Beastly Boy May 2022 #65

Aloha, Beastly Boy.. Cha May 2022 #67

Loss of Roe has nothinbg to do with M4A. Budi May 2022 #13

One thing my wife said when she first heard the proposals to do away with private insurance... AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #14

They get different jobs? qazplm135 May 2022 #25

So cavalier with other peoples' jobs... AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #27

I mean yeah it did qazplm135 May 2022 #29

And people wonder why Bernie never gained any traction AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #37

So you are saying thousands a day should die for lack of medical care questionseverything May 2022 #45

So employed citizens in this country trying to make ends meet are parasites? AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #49

Yes wanting to help qazplm135 May 2022 #72

Why do you care you just called them parasites AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #78

I didn't call anyone a parasite qazplm135 May 2022 #82

When you can propose a plan that actually would work and line up the votes, let me know. Demsrule86 May 2022 #92

Two of my family members have had Obamacare insurance, and all of us have benefited. pnwmom May 2022 #112

K & R Budi May 2022 #52

Have you priced COBRA recently? sheshe2 May 2022 #86

Right, but we DO have Obamacare, so people who''ve lost their jobs can go on that pnwmom May 2022 #111

ACA still costs money. Less than COBRA, for sure, but if you've lost your job... Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #141

People with no money in decent states qualify for Medicaid. I'm sorry for the people who don't! pnwmom May 2022 #147

The insurance companies would lay them all off in a hot minute treestar May 2022 #114

Jfc. 🙄 Budi May 2022 #28

Yeah qazplm135 May 2022 #32

I get mine, fuck you AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #38

Yeah I get mine qazplm135 May 2022 #71

No that's not my argument AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #79

Ya know qazplm135 May 2022 #84

So you are telling me that basically every other first world country can figure it out Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #151

I'm saying take into account... AZSkiffyGeek May 2022 #152

So we're off the "there's no plan!" argument. That's good. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #153

Well ya. IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD A M4A POLICY prepared to pass thru Congress Budi May 2022 #42

"No free shit", right? BradAllison May 2022 #88

The private insurance industry does fine with Medicare patients right now BradAllison May 2022 #87

The same thing people who carried ice to people's houses did. alphafemale May 2022 #91

The same thing that would happen to a lot of people employed in the insurance industry if ck4829 May 2022 #119

If they don't suck at their job, they get a job in the new government infrastructure. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #137

Asked and answered. They will get other jobs. Perhaps answering phones at a Medicare center Autumn May 2022 #140

Here's what she said about the 2020 election MN2theMax May 2022 #17

Welp. sheshe2 May 2022 #77

Her actively promoting Trump's election over Hillary iemanja May 2022 #102

People who were here for the 2016 and 2020 presidential general election lapucelle May 2022 #117

There is a "relegated to obscurity" crowd shouting for you to join them, Nina hlthe2b May 2022 #6

I'll chip in. Budi May 2022 #10

This dishonest agitprop is itself reason to steer way away. Hortensis May 2022 #22

K & R. Thank You! Budi May 2022 #26

+1 betsuni May 2022 #33

Well said. yardwork May 2022 #40

+1 brer cat May 2022 #46

Unfortunately the aca is insurance many can't afford to use questionseverything May 2022 #50

NOPE! The ACA establishes and protects NATIONAL HEALTHCARE RIGHTS, Hortensis May 2022 #54

My deductible is seven grand ( unaffordable) questionseverything May 2022 #56

Exactly, the ACA is a simply a less rapacious wealth extraction scheme when measured in balance, but Celerity May 2022 #60

Imo, those who empower those attempting to destroy it DESERVE Hortensis May 2022 #64

+1 betsuni May 2022 #83

Everything's an excuse or a rationalisation, with (of course) 2016 tossed in Celerity May 2022 #85

Well I would like to know why they have two plans...a husband and wife can be on the same Demsrule86 May 2022 #98

I never mentioned MFA. Celerity May 2022 #110

I am talking about the ACA...Both my husband and I were on the same policy. Why would Demsrule86 May 2022 #124

We have one plan but each of us has a deductible questionseverything May 2022 #150

(Your words) So it's okay to reflect someone's words now? Nixie May 2022 #104

Thank you. It's about time we deal in reality instead of endless Nixie May 2022 #105

A husband and wife can go on the same plan on the ACA and it is cheaper...I know I did it last Demsrule86 May 2022 #97

My deductible's not that high but Rob H. May 2022 #108

Gold plans have high deductibles. Is that what you chose? n/t pnwmom May 2022 #148

No it's bronze that have high deductibles questionseverything May 2022 #149

That is untrue. My husband would likely be dead without the ACA and my daughter crippled. Demsrule86 May 2022 #93

Are you arguing that it would have been worse for them under M4A? Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #138

Don't you dare say you are pro-choice if you refused to vote for Hillary in 2016 JohnSJ May 2022 #39

Good point! yardwork May 2022 #41

+1000. The alternative if we lost was written on the wall for all to see. Hortensis May 2022 #43

Or if you spent years debasing the worth of her well prepared policies while you present slogans. Budi May 2022 #44

I think NT's OP tweet is a Distraction Cha May 2022 #68

+a million! brer cat May 2022 #48

Tag line. Budi May 2022 #51

But Hillary chose a VP who was...nevermind n/t leftstreet May 2022 #58

Her choice of VP had nothing to do with her loss...and I did GOTV and I call the crowd Demsrule86 May 2022 #100

"Nothing"? Really? That's pretty strong. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #145

who has a pro-choice voting record iemanja May 2022 #121

He can only be considered pro-choice if you completely ignore his time as Virginia's governor Rob H. May 2022 #125

I didn't realize that iemanja May 2022 #126

Yep! He's now at the completely opposite end of the spectrum nt Rob H. May 2022 #128

OMG!! Nail Meet Hammer! Just what Cha May 2022 #63

+1000 sheshe2 May 2022 #89

Damn right... Demsrule86 May 2022 #94

+1 iemanja May 2022 #101

LOL!! Goodness, that is excellent! Nixie May 2022 #106

We (liberals/progressives) do nuance. Caliman73 May 2022 #66

I live in Ohio and voted for Shontel Brown. I will never forgive Nina for her behavior Demsrule86 May 2022 #95

She accused Shontel of being a criminal?! How dare she. yardwork May 2022 #113

I know right...I wish Shontel would sue her...although I suppose she would enjoy that. Demsrule86 May 2022 #123

Yeah, that is pretty ridiculous Caliman73 May 2022 #118

somebody tell me why we can't have Medicare for all bigtree May 2022 #70

No one has ever put together a plan for MFA. And as a person who investigated Medicare, I Demsrule86 May 2022 #96

Most 1st world countries other than us figured it out. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #139

Nina is like herpes - incurable and always fighting to stay relevant. BannonsLiver May 2022 #80

Here she's aiming at right wingers treestar May 2022 #115

No, she isn't iemanja May 2022 #122

those Democrats would not be pro-life though treestar May 2022 #127

You'd have to ask Turner what she's thinking iemanja May 2022 #129

I don't have a problem with it 867-5309. May 2022 #133

She's not wrong. Cuthbert Allgood May 2022 #134

That's where you are wrong. One has very much to do with the other. Autumn May 2022 #136

+1 H2O Man May 2022 #142

Once again the longest thread on the page. Doremus May 2022 #144