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JDPriestly

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16. With climate change, the weather variations become more pronounced.

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:34 PM

Oct 2012

In addition, we forget how far back the industrial revolution goes and just how we have harmed our environment over more than a century.

In addition, many of the changes in our social organization that fossil fuel use has enabled have made us more sensitive, more aware of the weather variations that are aggravated by climate change.

A city of the size of New York would be impossible without the widespread availability of electricity, without heating fuel, without airplanes, steel production, even the use of plastic wrap and refrigeration for meat in our stores.

Climate change is not just CO2 in the atmosphere. It is a lot more than that. Our world has changed thanks and no thanks to our use of fossil fuels and our human overpopulation of the planet.

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Rec this thread if you think the crazy weather of recent times is due to human-caused climate change [View all] garybeck Oct 2012 OP

K&R Odin2005 Oct 2012 #1

kick ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #2

Shhh, that's an inconvenient truth... polichick Oct 2012 #3

Yeah...it's like I've seen all this in a movie somewhere deutsey Oct 2012 #126

No doubt edhopper Oct 2012 #4

No, that's not how it works rock Oct 2012 #5

It is how it works edhopper Oct 2012 #7

Exactly. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #64

Everything must always be couched in ambiguous weasel words Speck Tater Oct 2012 #9

I agree with you. This is what happens when the ozone is compromised by pollution. These radical and The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #38

I can't believe how people can't understand that the earth is warming AAO Oct 2012 #58

We know it. We can see the truth. We will get the votes. Reason must overcome propaganda! The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #82

You are right ! AAO Oct 2012 #91

Nope. Sorry, but garybeck Oct 2012 #11

Good points all rock Oct 2012 #12

With climate change, the weather variations become more pronounced. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #16

True, they predicted that it would take decades to get change with statistical significance. reusrename Oct 2012 #30

Thanks for the link rock Oct 2012 #33

suggestion: read what the experts say. garybeck Oct 2012 #36

Well, I see I haven't been clear enough in my posts, and that's my fault rock Oct 2012 #47

It's true that different people give different weights to different types of evidence. reusrename Oct 2012 #55

you are assuming garybeck Oct 2012 #70

I once knew a guy named Doug rock Oct 2012 #81

Weather events are, by definition, variations in the weather. reusrename Oct 2012 #87

It's called the Union of Concerned *Scientists*. read what they say. garybeck Oct 2012 #115

"global warming" is a correct term MH1 Oct 2012 #101

personally I like the term "global warming" garybeck Oct 2012 #116

that's because deafskeptic Oct 2012 #79

Ah, yes! That's super important. reusrename Oct 2012 #89

If the oceans weren't warming BainsBane Oct 2012 #28

well heaven05 Oct 2012 #32

This is part of the trend nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #25

Define "extremely gradual" NickB79 Oct 2012 #41

Agree with you. This is the gradual part. So if we can start to see some of the extreme effects grantcart Oct 2012 #48

Just a slight increase in global temperatures Chemisse Oct 2012 #86

Keep denying that it exists, RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #94

Gradual? Arctic sea ice will be gone in 5-10 years. joshcryer Oct 2012 #109

I do WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #6

Good piece, Will..... prairierose Oct 2012 #31

All is well WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #53

Megastorms on the coasts and droughts on the plains are what we need to get used to. FVZA_Colonel Oct 2012 #8

ha! garybeck Oct 2012 #18

BIG K&R Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2012 #10

There are hundreds of weather modification corporations providing services around the globe RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #13

Well, I've done some research myself, and.... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #68

K&R octoberlib Oct 2012 #14

It is an inconvenient truth that Al Gore was instrumental in shipping US jobs overseas RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #15

You don't buy all your products from countries that pollute and then point the finger at them AlbertCat Oct 2012 #17

Absolutely! n/t AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #69

Good post. You can add mining, drilling, forestry etc ChillZilla Oct 2012 #78

Yup Bigredhunk Oct 2012 #19

It's not possible to tie any specific weather event or even an apparent pattern to climate change slackmaster Oct 2012 #20

yes it is. garybeck Oct 2012 #34

TBH, Gary, I can't help but agree 100% with this. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #61

Welcome to the new normal caraher Oct 2012 #21

I think climate change is affecting the oldbanjo Oct 2012 #22

Of course it is. MoonRiver Oct 2012 #23

I almost didn't rec because freedom fighter jh Oct 2012 #24

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #26

Human excellerated and exacerbated Kalidurga Oct 2012 #27

Definitely recommending. calimary Oct 2012 #29

Rec. Been through all kinds of storms here in NY, but these gigantic monsters are new, Chorophyll Oct 2012 #35

Recommended AnnieK401 Oct 2012 #37

k and r, and: Duh! amborin Oct 2012 #39

Of course it is and anyone that denies it doesn't deserve a seat at the table. nt Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #40

How could it not be? Junkdrawer Oct 2012 #42

Romney sneers at talk of Climate Change flamingdem Oct 2012 #43

The Sneer joesdaughter Oct 2012 #104

Oh the pain, the pain flamingdem Oct 2012 #107

Well, they've been warning us about sea level changes LeftInTX Oct 2012 #44

It is tragic that anyone could still somehow manage not to see this. redqueen Oct 2012 #45

There is absolutely no evidence that climate change is happening. Hugabear Oct 2012 #46

just have a look at this crazy time sequence of air traffic around the world... Whisp Oct 2012 #49

interesting map marions ghost Oct 2012 #77

An elderly lady interviewed by my local "newspaper" queenjane Oct 2012 #50

2 years in a row a hurricane has hit the east coast and not the southeast. What more evidence do you craigmatic Oct 2012 #51

Funny how the rich own all of the ocean front property.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #52

Bye bye polar ice caps. lpbk2713 Oct 2012 #54

Only a moran would think otherwise! n/t AAO Oct 2012 #56

K&R! burrowowl Oct 2012 #57

Even if it is not human-caused salinen Oct 2012 #59

ACC is no doubt playing a major part in today's problems. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #60

I find myself sorry to think this wake-up call will not wake-up the clueless as.... Amonester Oct 2012 #65

It's not too late. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #67

I say it's too late because, given the "current" state of affair (the damn money)... Amonester Oct 2012 #90

The only sure way that nothing will happen is if we throw in the towel. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #97

This image said it all. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2012 #62

I'm convinced it is and this isn't new, from the director of the classic "It's a Wonderful Life" Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #63

That's a great video! reusrename Oct 2012 #80

Kind of shocking isn't it? Eisenhower was President Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #113

I don't THINK it, I KNOW IT!! n/t onecent Oct 2012 #66

I had heard that other planets felix_numinous Oct 2012 #71

That and the scifi channel giving the storm ideas... RedCloud Oct 2012 #72

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar - unsure about this storm, but climate change is a problem. Politicub Oct 2012 #73

Pretty much where I stand. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #99

That's like saying "rec this thread if you are NOT A MORAN". nt 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #74

. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #75

Until someone can tell me what human-caused conditions melted the North American Ice sheet ChillZilla Oct 2012 #76

As a geologist meeshrox Oct 2012 #83

K&R! I believe that it is human caused, man4allcats Oct 2012 #84

Unbelievable LW1977 Oct 2012 #85

Kick! sarcasmo Oct 2012 #88

Anyone who thinks the ocean isn't rising The Wizard Oct 2012 #92

K&R You know it is! n/t RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #93

Ja think? radiclib Oct 2012 #95

Climate change is a religion. Zax2me Oct 2012 #96

What? I'm sorry, but What? AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #98

K and fuckin R! BobbyBoring Oct 2012 #100

So we can know who the painfully uninformed people are? (nt) harmonicon Oct 2012 #102

Now all we have to do is turn Rethugs & energy folks into believers and we can get down to business. Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #103

Since when does DU show who recommended a thread? BelgianMadCow Oct 2012 #105

I am a climate change scientist and I approve this message. Aldo Leopold Oct 2012 #106

like. :) garybeck Oct 2012 #119

My Mormon father in law's go to about climate change and carbon Phlem Oct 2012 #108

That must be the latest thing meeshrox Oct 2012 #128

Kick and a 'doh' rosesaylavee Oct 2012 #110

K&R. blackspade Oct 2012 #111

K&R nt abelenkpe Oct 2012 #112

accumulated evidence, not just this unprecedented storm... BREMPRO Oct 2012 #114

Hurricane Texas-Limerick Oct 2012 #117

Carl Sagan was talking about this in 1989. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #118

I remember the times on DU Duppers Oct 2012 #120

Welcome to the new normal tavalon Oct 2012 #121

I have to agree, but...... AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #123

That photo above reminds me of AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #122

o my GOD myshofer Oct 2012 #124

Google "Hurricane Catarina," "Super Cyclone Gonu," "Tropical Storm Delta"....... Gabby Hayes Oct 2012 #125

And maybe it's time to not live on the coast line. BlueToTheBone Oct 2012 #127

Definitely a contributing factor get the red out Oct 2012 #129

Me Liberalynn Oct 2012 #130

K&R ! GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #131