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Atypical Liberal

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342. Of course I do not fault people with no choices.

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 12:05 PM

Oct 2012

I thought about adding this, but thought it would go without saying: Clearly if someone joins the military because it is their only chance of success in life than I cannot fault them for that, any more than I can fault a person who was drafted.

Go on and hate the privates. I take issue with the political class and the empire builders, not even with the NCO's

That is a false dichotomy. Of course I take issue with the political class and the empire builders. But I also take issue with people who knowingly volunteer to support the political class and empire builders - especially those so blinded by patriotism so as to be blind to what is going on.

Again, we've now got 70 years of military track record to examine. And as a co-worker exclaimed the other day as we were talking about pervasive internet connectivity, "Today, ignorance is a choice."

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Amazing Photo: Hurricane does not deter guards at Tomb of the Unknown Soldier [View all] ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 OP

How can they stand like that without moving.. darkangel218 Oct 2012 #1

They don't stand around for long periods. They march back and forth. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #2

Ahh ok, that makes more sense. darkangel218 Oct 2012 #4

You're right. Once the guard is posted, they "walk the mat". sarge43 Oct 2012 #11

more details grantcart Oct 2012 #14

Deep vein thrombosis is more likely if one sits for long periods, rather than standing. Aristus Oct 2012 #51

old pic...taken last year....nt Evasporque Oct 2012 #128

That's why you sometimes hear of those guards in London fainting. Bucky Oct 2012 #244

Thank you for posting this picture. kstewart33 Oct 2012 #3

Uh, yeah. Get those kids in out of that. That's just stupid. nolabear Oct 2012 #5

I agree completely. obxhead Oct 2012 #40

Yeah. What is the point of standing there? Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #70

People who have never served do not understand the military. speedoo Oct 2012 #148

Yep. You are exactly fucking right. cliffordu Oct 2012 #163

You know, I never served, but I have the good sense to not mock a gravesite. msanthrope Oct 2012 #192

I don't either Aerows Oct 2012 #209

People are not "mocking" a gravesite. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #262

Yes, they are. And one of them has already been banned. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #263

who got banned over this quinnox Oct 2012 #267

Kindly Refrain, who got a pizza delivered msanthrope Oct 2012 #278

Now that was long overdue. What a rude person. MADem Oct 2012 #284

It's a common sense issue to me. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #197

Your common sense is not relevant to discussing how the military honors its fallen. speedoo Oct 2012 #199

They're fucking VOLUNTEERS! Do some research before you make an ass of yourself!!! George II Oct 2012 #279

Wow. Arugula Latte Oct 2012 #280

That is not true. Most duers understand and honor those who served still_one Oct 2012 #214

Your key word is "most". speedoo Oct 2012 #218

I know still_one Oct 2012 #225

I get it. The sacrifice the Unknowns made makes the rain seem like nothing. Bucky Oct 2012 #246

Hey, you don't have to have served to appreciate this. calimary Oct 2012 #253

They volunteer for this duty. It's an honor. JohnnyRingo Oct 2012 #162

It is to honor those who served and died, many who were drafted, but all who served their country still_one Oct 2012 #212

They are safe. And guarding that tomb? It's a sacred honor. Autumn Oct 2012 #215

Respect for those who have died defending not only our country, but the rights we have as Americans. Hepburn Oct 2012 #320

If you don't get, you don't get it. Stinky The Clown Oct 2012 #234

You should be thrown off this board Ter Oct 2012 #346

Well, possibly he should be admonished. sibelian Oct 2012 #350

No, nolabear is expressing a valid concern for the troops guarding the Tomb pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #361

Guards are present at all times. sarge43 Oct 2012 #6

Huge honor. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #58

I agree. I have a great deal of respect for those young people. nt MADem Oct 2012 #99

The unknown soldier has never once been stolen. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #7

So, what are they protecting? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #8

From what I remember, there were Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #15

Respect dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #17

It is a show of respect, honoring the fallen for their sacrifice. The 101st Chairborne msanthrope Oct 2012 #31

I guess it comes down to who gets to decide what qualifies as showing respect. stopbush Oct 2012 #74

I'm becoming increasingly irritated with this. sibelian Oct 2012 #354

Here's what your avatar said about it: Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #93

You think these soldiers are marching joyfully to music? Go read the Einstein-Szilard Letter msanthrope Oct 2012 #103

Something he deeply regretted for the rest of his life. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #108

Then if you served, stop showing such disrespect to the people who msanthrope Oct 2012 #115

I'm not disrescting the dead. I'm disrespecting those who glorify war. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #122

Actually, this thread was an unintentional dog whistle to DemocratsForProgress Oct 2012 #136

Then why the soldiers "guarding" it with guns? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #164

The 3rd carry fixed bayonets to commemorate Cerro Gordo. I wonder what you would make of msanthrope Oct 2012 #191

It doesn't make war "glorious", but it sure as shit makes it HONORABLE George II Oct 2012 #281

You are disrespecting a gravesite with your uneccessary commentary. A gravesite. msanthrope Oct 2012 #180

But, I didn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #202

You did Aerows Oct 2012 #219

No--you are disrespecting the soldiers who are tasked with care of that tomb. msanthrope Oct 2012 #229

Honey, you seem to be the only one here who see "glorification of war" in this thread, whathehell Oct 2012 #270

"the monsters who sent those in the tomb to kill and die..." EX500rider Oct 2012 #275

The 3rd is also Ready Brigade to defend Washington jmowreader Oct 2012 #149

Yep--quite familiar with The Old Guard. The disrespect on this thread is sickening. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #194

Are you kidding? This is America. Aristus Oct 2012 #56

In a hurricane? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #90

In all weathers, night and day, around the clock, forever. Aristus Oct 2012 #107

Yeah, I know it doesn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #112

I've said a lot of horrible shit to people on this board before, cliffordu Oct 2012 #169

Oh, dear me. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #178

There are no songs, poems or posts on DU cliffordu Oct 2012 #184

boom goes the dynamite dionysus Oct 2012 #377

The honor of these soldiers comes not from patriotism, but from the oaths they fulfilled. msanthrope Oct 2012 #185

Yes, I did swear the same oath. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #204

I think Cliffordu has the measure of you. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #213

if you were a marine i'm the queen of england. dionysus Oct 2012 #261

You've called another poster a liar DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #356

yes, yes i did. dionysus Oct 2012 #376

Well then, I guess you and George W Bush both get feelins' in your gut DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #383

You are just fine the way you are HangOnKids Oct 2012 #201

Everyone, when I was in, called it The Crotch. Or, The Suck. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #207

In your case, at least, that seems to be appropriate nt pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #364

All of these guards are volunteers and compete for the honor. grantcart Oct 2012 #382

That's one reason. There is another. sarge43 Oct 2012 #216

I would imagine that respect often needs protection. LanternWaste Oct 2012 #153

Yeah, especially from some of the sick fucks on this thread. whathehell Oct 2012 #272

They're protecting you Ter Oct 2012 #347

They are protecting a sacred concept. sibelian Oct 2012 #353

ugh. depressing, sentimental, militaristic nonsense. cali Oct 2012 #9

That's one opinion /nt. demwing Oct 2012 #20

I think it is beautiful.... but if it was my decision I'd send those boys in for some soup. DonRedwood Oct 2012 #25

It's their decision TruthAnalyzed Oct 2012 #171

Isn't it great there were people who gave their lives so you could say something that stupid former-republican Oct 2012 #23

Thank you sarge43 Oct 2012 #28

All the dreams, and hope, and promise gone because of miltaristic nonsense n/t HangOnKids Oct 2012 #35

Yeah, they weren't smart as you. n/t sarge43 Oct 2012 #37

Never Said That Sarge HangOnKids Oct 2012 #41

Nonsense? Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #165

How do you know the poster doesn't have loved ones in the military? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #187

Why don't you STFU Jeff HangOnKids Oct 2012 #198

My guess is....Nobody Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #210

Actually, you're wrong, and you look like a fucking moron DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #362

You're Welcome... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #372

I was in the military, but didn't die. Do I still get the right to "bitch and moan"? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #373

This message was self-deleted by its author Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #384

Yes obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #177

And millions of other dreams, hope and promise got to live because of it mythology Oct 2012 #228

Care to provide an example other than World War 2? redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #309

American Revolution, Civil War, WWI eaglesfanintn Oct 2012 #321

"miltaristic nonsense" EX500rider Oct 2012 #276

How does killing Vietnamese or Korean or Iraqi or Afghan people Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #45

There ARE no unknown soldiers from the Iraq or Afghan wars. kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #60

Didn't answer my question Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #66

because the question is irrelevant in the context of this story. eqfan592 Oct 2012 #76

It kinda did ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #110

sleep well, sweet, sweet prince. dionysus Oct 2012 #378

Right there with you, Kindly Refrain. Aristus Oct 2012 #63

Thank You amuse bouche Oct 2012 #101

How does disrespecting those who have served BainsBane Oct 2012 #157

No one is disrespecting KIAs in this thread obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #189

I can see their point. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #327

The fault lies not in those who serve... PavePusher Oct 2012 #329

Not when people volunteer to serve. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #334

O.K., I'll go back to Yugoslavia and Mozambique and re-collect all those relief supplies. PavePusher Oct 2012 #355

Yup, I noted the kosovo war in another thread. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #367

Those who volunteer have the fewest opportunities in life BainsBane Oct 2012 #345

I can assure you that the reasons for military service PavePusher Oct 2012 #357

Demographics prove my point BainsBane Oct 2012 #363

Yea but we weren't always a global superpower: The Revolution, The Civil War, World War II? Hippo_Tron Oct 2012 #179

They did not create those conflicts, politicians did. It should never be taken out on the soldiers still_one Oct 2012 #217

How about those who fought Hitler's armies?...Or would you rather be livng under the Third Reich? whathehell Oct 2012 #274

LoL. Read up on the history of World War 2. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #303

LOL...You read up on it. whathehell Oct 2012 #314

i know, this thread is swimming with imbeciles... dionysus Oct 2012 #380

LOL...Thanks for telling it like it is! whathehell Oct 2012 #381

LOL, because a nuclear armed Nazi Germany wouldn't have been a threat. dionysus Oct 2012 #379

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #55

That's a good example of something that sounds wise cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #65

oh for fuck's sake. Do you really believe that tripe? cali Oct 2012 #89

Those guarding the Tomb are scarcely "Mindlessly kowtowing" MineralMan Oct 2012 #155

And I completely agree, MM. cliffordu Oct 2012 #237

agree Crabby Appleton Oct 2012 #300

Fact is, the US military has done little to "protect the right to free speech" in the US. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #304

Dude, those aren't my words. You appear to have MineralMan Oct 2012 #351

Yeah. Instead of the D-Day landings on Omaha Beach, Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #195

WWII was nearly 70 years ago. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #328

So honoring the soldiers who landed on D-day is "milking the tit of WWII". Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #374

Nope. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #386

Ive never understood statements like this. bunnies Oct 2012 #231

If you don't have to speak German and give a Nazi salute at Party meetings... PavePusher Oct 2012 #288

Wrong. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #307

What is the point? CaptJasHook Oct 2012 #323

Hitler had plans to invade the US? bunnies Oct 2012 #370

I have to agree amuse bouche Oct 2012 #81

Obviously you don't understand the military. speedoo Oct 2012 #154

I underrstand plenty amuse bouche Oct 2012 #257

lol! darkangel218 Oct 2012 #258

Is that so? Do we have a servicemember's permission to speak now? DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #365

This is a democracy. You are entitled to your opinion. nt bluestate10 Oct 2012 #92

Written by someone manning a keyboard MineralMan Oct 2012 #116

i expected better from you. rateyes Oct 2012 #150

You lost all my respect with that idiotic, uninformed post. speedoo Oct 2012 #151

Those bad ass The Wizard Oct 2012 #173

I wonder..... cliffordu Oct 2012 #161

But, it sells a lot of people into thinking that killing and dying is glorious and honorable. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #168

i agree with you. But, there are tons of less intelligent people who join up, because all the Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #282

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #289

Best post of the thread. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #311

Exactly amuse bouche Oct 2012 #324

Bullshit. Respecting and honoring their sacrifice does not mean you endorse all wars still_one Oct 2012 #223

Looks like the hurricane blew your mask off. nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #305

Next time one of your friends dies and you put flowers on their tomb... sibelian Oct 2012 #358

Amazing. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #10

I would feel very foolish guarding an empty tomb quinnox Oct 2012 #12

It isn't empty. whistler162 Oct 2012 #16

Why do you think it's empty? Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #21

ok so it isn't empty quinnox Oct 2012 #24

Among other none symbolic reasons sarge43 Oct 2012 #29

Please post a link to that incident. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #46

It happened several years ago, mid nineties as memory serves. sarge43 Oct 2012 #53

"Desecration of the Vietnam Memorial Wall" KansDem Oct 2012 #124

Thanks KansDem sarge43 Oct 2012 #176

You don't get it sarisataka Oct 2012 #34

I read the url as Firebirds01 Oct 2012 #47

I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. They probably should change the url name. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #50

It s not empty nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #111

Tattoos are peculiar? LanternWaste Oct 2012 #160

It's not empty. Those who have fought in wars have a flavor in their mouth Autumn Oct 2012 #226

I saw this when I visited DC and I cried. it was one of the most MOVING things I have onecent Oct 2012 #13

Really?? I'll be moved when our living veterans are being properly considered and taken Lionessa Oct 2012 #27

It's not pageantry. speedoo Oct 2012 #158

Are they actuallyl guarding anything, no. It's pageantry, nothing more. Lionessa Oct 2012 #238

Me too. The former Marine I was with would Ilsa Oct 2012 #211

beautiful pic trailmonkee Oct 2012 #18

Details of the duty for these soldiers. grantcart Oct 2012 #19

. Kurovski Oct 2012 #22

I'm sorry but that kind of determination is just plain stupid and shouldn't be regaled. Lionessa Oct 2012 #26

I'm willing to bet the men in that photo don't feel they are being "just plain stupid". Throd Oct 2012 #30

Yeah because they are brainwashed. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #38

My brother applied. ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #73

Military personnel have achieved demi-god status in the US Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #82

I don't disagree. ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #152

how does one know if they are brainwashed? eom yawnmaster Oct 2012 #285

Please go fuck yourself. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #290

And if you asked those soldiers... sarisataka Oct 2012 #39

But if you asked them if taking care of their fellow returning vets was more important than standing Lionessa Oct 2012 #44

As they are volunteers for that duty they'd probably say why can't we do both. n/t sarge43 Oct 2012 #57

Because they are willfully representing a false reality. We treat our vets like shit, not like heros Lionessa Oct 2012 #69

Bugs me quite a bit because I am a veteran sarge43 Oct 2012 #97

You know, my dad was a veteran of WWII Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #102

Would you please post any of my messages where I indicated I believe I belong to a "special class" sarge43 Oct 2012 #133

Hubby and I try to convey it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #138

If it were only the kids these days sarge43 Oct 2012 #174

I know nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #206

What I do is ignore this pageantry and vote for folks who'll do a better job of tending reality Lionessa Oct 2012 #239

First, I didn't ask for your thanks and I don't want it. sarge43 Oct 2012 #243

Thanks is given regardless of your willingness to accept it. Lionessa Oct 2012 #341

I agree with you. n/t Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #332

What I do about it. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #331

Hint, huge one indeed nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #134

Even generals were butter bars once upon a time sarge43 Oct 2012 #190

Of course but you ask civilians nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #208

Thank the maker they don't. sarge43 Oct 2012 #220

And an extra helping of crazy nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #224

And often confirming that there is no such thing as unutterable nonsense. Bless their hearts. n/t sarge43 Oct 2012 #227

But at some point... Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #333

How many people do you know in the military? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #335

Lots and lots and lots. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #338

And fail, we do have a draft, it's called an economic draft. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #340

Of course I do not fault people with no choices. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #342

Yup I am sure private Johnson nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #344

You don't have to be an expert in history. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #349

Bay of pigs nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #352

Yes, I know that - 70 YEARS OF ANCIENT HISTORY. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #366

Your "we" doesn't include these guys, I guarantee. It doesn't even include MOST Veterans. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #264

Of course not, my comments are the disconnect from the reality of how our gov't treats individual Lionessa Oct 2012 #283

Except that in this thread, you are the one treating past and current vets "like shit".... PavePusher Oct 2012 #291

I agree. The masses get all teary-eyed about soldiers standing in the rain... Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #330

Thank you for fully understanding my point. It's so hard to get the point across Lionessa Oct 2012 #337

Kippling said it well... Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #339

It is not a zero-sum game, Lionessa. MineralMan Oct 2012 #119

One does not exclude the other sarisataka Oct 2012 #166

Do you really think we are unable to walk and chew gum at the same time? PavePusher Oct 2012 #292

When I see so many here stumbling while obviously chewing on something, then yes. Lionessa Oct 2012 #343

You are making assumptions based on facts not in evidence. PavePusher Oct 2012 #359

Actually many are putting heads in sand when idolizing such "honoring" unrepresentative regalia. Lionessa Oct 2012 #375

How is getting rid of a couple of measly guards going to solve our veterans' mess? kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #64

Please read up on what they are doing. blackspade Oct 2012 #100

Oh just stop it nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #113

Absolutely true, but to mention the military aspect is taboo, as this thread proves. Lionessa Oct 2012 #242

The problem is not a pfc walking post nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #248

I never said it was. You're entirely misunderstanding my point. Lionessa Oct 2012 #250

Whatever nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #252

"I cannot fathom any other way to put it" PavePusher Oct 2012 #293

Yet this is one example of our government honoring its debt to those who served pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #310

You have to be the best of the best to get into the Army's Old Guard slackmaster Oct 2012 #32

what courage johnt_1956_55 Oct 2012 #33

This pic gets posted during every severe storm Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #36

Very moving. Thanks for sharing. Happyhippychick Oct 2012 #42

All of the posts ridiculing this ceremony hogwyld Oct 2012 #43

Again, where in the US Constitution does it say Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #49

You know, it is possible to make a point here on DU without being a dick about it. eggplant Oct 2012 #129

Someone "alerted" on H2O Man Oct 2012 #183

Where in the DU terms of service does it say that ridiculing soldiers is expected? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #142

Every member of the armed forces swears or affirms to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. sarge43 Oct 2012 #221

Thanks for the correction. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #233

Considering that the post H2O Man Oct 2012 #188

It doesn't in the Constitution glacierbay Oct 2012 #266

Ya know, not everything is in the Constitution.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #294

I didn't serve ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #114

Not a veteran, but I agree 1000% lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #139

Look, I know it is important to honor those who made sacrifices Taverner Oct 2012 #48

The attitudes in this thread is why our side is accused of hating soldiers. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #52

I agree txdemsftw Oct 2012 #54

I can... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #94

Disgusting. I hope this thread gets locked, it makes me so ill. zonkers Oct 2012 #67

Some have to exhibit their ultra-liberal street cred... SidDithers Oct 2012 #75

More like "ultra clueless." MADem Oct 2012 #105

Sid, that ain't ultra-liberal street cred. That's disgusting behaivor Autumn Oct 2012 #230

Not really. I just think they should not be out there in a hurricane treestar Oct 2012 #126

It's not about graffiti. PavePusher Oct 2012 #296

Yup. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #143

Quite a few, usually older, soldiers hold those very exact opinions. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #312

No, that's not true pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #313

Some see it as you do. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #316

Regardless of differing political views, I will guarantee you... pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #317

In such a picture one sees what one wants to see. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #319

"(C)eremonies for those who accepted shaming and jail time for resisting the draft"? pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #325

I commend your efforts to educate kids about war. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #348

I'll spell it out for you: we VN vets had the utmost respect for that draft-dodging teacher pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #368

You know, if I was living in the US, I'd might just take that offer. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #369

You'll miss a good one here pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #371

I think I'll pass this on to my dad. redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #387

Very telling. Marinedem Oct 2012 #59

As an American Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #71

Yeah Marinedem Oct 2012 #78

I'm not droning civilians in Pakistan Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #88

No. Marinedem Oct 2012 #95

ya pay any taxes? iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #287

"moral high ground"? PavePusher Oct 2012 #298

And in the meantime, what will you be up to? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #137

Yes, iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #286

I'll go back and undo all the humanitarian relief I've participated in... PavePusher Oct 2012 #297

Man, after reading a few of your posts, you sure don't sound like a Proud American ChillZilla Oct 2012 #389

^^^ THIS ^^^ WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #79

The anti-war Will Pitt speaks out. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #84

Yep WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #91

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #96

Agreed. WheelWalker Oct 2012 #236

Perfect. WilliamPitt Oct 2012 #256

Being anti-war is the most pro-military stance one can take. baldguy Oct 2012 #254

I am a military veteran and I am anti-war Skittles Oct 2012 #268

The poster is no longer with us pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #271

good Skittles Oct 2012 #277

Right. H2O Man Oct 2012 #200

Thank you. speedoo Oct 2012 #159

Yeah, a number of posters decided to dress as soldier-spitting stereotypes Union Scribe Oct 2012 #306

I'm not allowed to offer them a cup of tea? redgreenandblue Oct 2012 #308

When they're off duty, of course. They probably would prefer coffee. sarge43 Oct 2012 #388

snort tavernier Oct 2012 #61

I don't think those are real guards. randome Oct 2012 #62

It's a nice tradition. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #68

In 2020 We are gonna learn that it was Hoffa under there the whole time. #JokesOnUs bigregg4838 Oct 2012 #72

This picture is from September 18, 2012 not today. SweetieD Oct 2012 #77

Thanks for being on the ball. ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #106

Buzz Feed has apologized for posting old photo Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #125

Yea thanks! ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #203

Beautiful. MadrasT Oct 2012 #80

Gotta admit.... MynameisBlarney Oct 2012 #83

Don't worry about them. Marinedem Oct 2012 #86

When all else fails, open the door in the back of the tomb and climb in! randome Oct 2012 #104

Good to know, thanks. MynameisBlarney Oct 2012 #322

Well, it does beat getting shot at. mnhtnbb Oct 2012 #85

Impressive. nt bluestate10 Oct 2012 #87

Too Bad! thelarge Oct 2012 #98

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #109

Which one was I? Recursion Oct 2012 #117

I didn't think a sarcasm tag was necessary. Throd Oct 2012 #118

D'oh. Sorry Recursion Oct 2012 #123

You were wrong. Prior to reading your post #118, the response I had in mind to you would have ... 11 Bravo Oct 2012 #130

It was necessary. There are people in this thread posting MineralMan Oct 2012 #144

My dad lied about his age so that he could enlist in the Navy in 1934 at 15 to get out of poverty slackmaster Oct 2012 #121

Your post is bullshit. Plain and simple. MineralMan Oct 2012 #127

Throd's post is an meant as an example of "Things I learned on DU..." sarcasm slackmaster Oct 2012 #131

In a thread where others are also posting ignorant nonsense MineralMan Oct 2012 #147

Wow.....you assume a lot of things... rppper Oct 2012 #146

A hurricane is nothing compared to combat. Being buffeted by rain and wind, a force of nature, is a freshwest Oct 2012 #120

Thank you for saying cliffordu Oct 2012 #182

You're welcome, cliffordu. Let's support each other in all that is good. freshwest Oct 2012 #222

Yep. Lets. cliffordu Oct 2012 #241

wow. fishwax Oct 2012 #245

Thanks for your post, too. We're all at different places, let's seek the best always. freshwest Oct 2012 #251

Well said! rppper Oct 2012 #265

If we love life, respect it. That's what they're doing. freshwest Oct 2012 #269

Wow. That was stunning. Thank you very, very much for saying that. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #299

Since I was an early critic on this thread I want to say I utterly respect the tomb and symbolism. nolabear Oct 2012 #132

This obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #193

way too many people confuse nationalism for patriotism nt hockeynut57 Oct 2012 #135

I think this is one of the ultimate examples of the latter. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #145

Agreed. ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #156

Interesting how this society Pharaoh Oct 2012 #140

I agree obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #196

You're missing the point by 180° n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #232

its an older pic (Sept '12) AlecBGreen Oct 2012 #141

This is not a recent photo obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #167

recent pic upi402 Oct 2012 #170

Thanks..... ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #205

Why anyone would have a problem with this is beyond me. npk Oct 2012 #172

Respect...This is what America is all about! Rocky2007 Oct 2012 #175

This is a symbol of the honor and respect due to those Americans who have fallen in battle and .... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #181

THANK YOU...to you... ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #235

Just so everyone knows, there's no hurricane force winds in the DC metro area just yet Hippo_Tron Oct 2012 #186

Awesome picture! underoath Oct 2012 #240

I don't care if the pic's debunked. It still reminds me of something else to be grateful for. Bucky Oct 2012 #247

i wonder what is the source of the photo Enrique Oct 2012 #249

As been pointed out several times, guards are posted at the Tomb 24/7/365. sarge43 Oct 2012 #255

i never doubted it was real Enrique Oct 2012 #259

I sit corrected. n/t sarge43 Oct 2012 #260

Ok, need a tissue. nt oxymoron Oct 2012 #273

:) Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #295

Inspiring davidthegnome Oct 2012 #301

I can't believe some of the disrespectful crap I have seen posted on this thread. 4bucksagallon Oct 2012 #302

It's simple. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #336

Some people here have let cynicism get the better of them. Zynx Oct 2012 #315

Beautiful image, says a lot to me. era veteran Oct 2012 #318

My sons best friend from high school serves in that guard. Wonderful young man and... ourbluenation Oct 2012 #326

Wish those guys could at least cover their ears... poor fellas. Flaxbee Oct 2012 #360

wonderful photo. kick back to the top. Liberal_in_LA Oct 2012 #385