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Ms. Toad

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48. The question I was addressing disclosure to employers.
Fri May 13, 2022, 08:41 PM
May 2022

The question I was addressing is the repeated concern that individuals would not want to disclose to their employer that they need to travel for an abortion. The exceptions to HIPAA don't include permitting a third party medical clearing entity to disclose the reason for the expenditure to the employer.

Whether the HIPAA exception would permit that 3d party clearing entity to disclose information to law enforcement, or in response to a subpoena, is an entirely different question (and one which will likely take some time to play out in court).

The draft opinion overturning Roe leaves states free to prohibit abortion within the boundaries of their state. It does not make abortion a federal crime, nor does it required that every state outlaw abortions. Obtaining an abortions in a state in which abortion is legal is not a crime.

There are strong constitutional presumptions regarding the right of citizens to travel between states (commerce clause, privileges & immunities are two such provisions). States are generally constitutionally prohibited from restricting travel for the purpose of engaging in imterstate commerce (e.g. to obtain (and pay for) abortion services.)

That doesn't mean there won't be states which try to make it a crime - just that such attempts are extremely unlikely to be successful.

So - it is unlikely that the HIPAA exception would permit that 3d party clearing entity to disclose information to the state under the exceptions related to criminal activity.

Gender affirming care likely falls into the same category - although it is more complicated because it isn't a one-time thing, and would involve continued care within the state which makes it illegal (e.g. puberty blocking medication taken on an ongoing basis).

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Good !! once big money gets on the side of right folk will perk their heads out the ground uponit7771 May 2022 #1
So will Apple, Citi, and other companies, while Florida has said they will penalize companies JohnSJ May 2022 #2
Amazon is another such company. nt Wednesdays May 2022 #4
The battle lines are getting drawn, and republicans are on the wrong side of history, and JohnSJ May 2022 #9
Big. Fucking. Whoop. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2022 #3
Wake me when they stop contributing money to Republicans and instead back pro-choice candidates. Midnight Writer May 2022 #5
Happy for the work arounds but... CrackityJones75 May 2022 #6
Work arounds just keep the whole situation from blowing exboyfil May 2022 #11
Maybe. CrackityJones75 May 2022 #14
Exactly. This is a positive thing, and people need options if they live in draconian states that ar JohnSJ May 2022 #17
I didn't mean it that way exboyfil May 2022 #20
Oh no worries I didn't think you did CrackityJones75 May 2022 #22
New York is establishing a fund to cover wnylib May 2022 #33
Good to hear regarding New York CrackityJones75 May 2022 #36
This is great news LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #7
Instead of paying costs for their employee health care right, why don't Microsoft and in2herbs May 2022 #8
You do realize that Microsoft offers Health, Vision, and Dental insurance at no cost to an employee. JohnSJ May 2022 #13
No one framed the med benefits paid by Microsoft and other corps as a bad in2herbs May 2022 #18
It was quite obvious that the Supreme Court was the issue in 2016. That is when things needed to JohnSJ May 2022 #21
Pull out of states with restrictive abortion laws exboyfil May 2022 #10
Yes Johnny2X2X May 2022 #16
Maybe they could shut down a few select Windows machines in those states... hunter May 2022 #46
This is better than if they didn't do it, but Mr.Bill May 2022 #12
You are so right exboyfil May 2022 #19
You know what's coming next gratuitous May 2022 #15
Shortly after the Roe v Wade ruling, the company wnylib May 2022 #37
I ask again, how will this realistically work? Arazi May 2022 #23
I imagine it would be a reimbursement kinda thing, rather than directly paying the provider In It to Win It May 2022 #24
So an employee has to tell their boss and/or HR to cut them a $400 Arazi May 2022 #25
I would guess that Microsoft will hire a 3rd party to implement the policy gristy May 2022 #28
But their employer is still going to get that bill Arazi May 2022 #38
The 3rd party will pay the bills, roll up the aggregate expense and invoice microsoft. gristy May 2022 #42
Even to pay for the commission of a crime? Arazi May 2022 #43
This. Exactly. fierywoman May 2022 #26
It will be almost certainly be administered as part of their health care package. Ms. Toad May 2022 #44
Abortion will be a crime. Helping someone get an abortion IS a crime Arazi May 2022 #47
The question I was addressing disclosure to employers. Ms. Toad May 2022 #48
Are you willing to bet on this SCOTUS following "constitutional presumptions"? Arazi May 2022 #49
You're conflating two things: Ms. Toad May 2022 #50
There's a Microsoft Access joke in here somewhere nt Shermann May 2022 #27
... In It to Win It May 2022 #32
If you find it BumRushDaShow May 2022 #40
I'd also like to see companies offer to pay expenses to move out of red states. Lonestarblue May 2022 #29
What about employees who don't want their employer to know they're getting an abortion? WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #30
It will almost certainly be handled the same way all other medical expenses are - Ms. Toad May 2022 #45
So, in the end the poor unemployed women will be penalized. Again. erronis May 2022 #31
might be cheaper and smarter to just buy some senators rurallib May 2022 #34
So Maine Abu El Banat May 2022 #35
time to move out of those states not a texan May 2022 #39
That's nice. Will Microsoft also stop funding the campaigns of pro-forced-birth politicians? n/t TygrBright May 2022 #41
K&r Demovictory9 May 2022 #51
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