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melm00se

(5,161 posts)
34. see #23
Sun May 15, 2022, 11:12 AM
May 2022

My position is very similar to the Supreme Court as it relates to free speech.

The government must show overwhelming and compelling cases to restrict speech especially when such a restriction would fall into the prior restraint category which appears to be what you are advocating.

The best way to combat speech that you find odious is to expose it to sunlight but be prepared to defend your position with facts not feelings. I find so many people (young, old, rightwing, leftwing and just about every other category) who default to appealing to people's feelings rather than facts.

I am not saying that there are cases where you are offended. But because you are offended does not mean that you can or should stomp on someone's right to say things that offend. If that was the case, I would suggest that most art, most public speech, most religions and most documents (like the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, the UN Declaration of Human Rights) would end up in the trash bin because someone, somewhere, somehow is offended by them.

"Give me Liberty or give me death!!" - I am sure offended the British.

"We here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." - Absolutely pissed off some Americans.

The Godfather - offended some Italian-Americans

This:


Nude people? In a Church? OMFG!!!!

Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men (as well as many, many, many others for many, many, many reasons) have offended people so they would be banned outright and never to be read again with no recourse.

Both ends of the ideological spectrum want to remake the world to their vision and banish anything that does not align with their vision. This world, the real world, is going to see conflict and disagreement but there must be a way to prevent one side from ramming their vision down the throats of the other side. Doing so will bring both sides into violent confrontation. I am absolutely certain that neither side (with all hyperbole aside) wants open armed conflict. Remember, the last time Americans came to blows between each other it cost ~2% of the US population in deaths. That death toll today would equal 6.6 million people (which, IMO, is really low).

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This is a cause and effect that we can no longer ignore. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #2
I am sure some people here will tell you drray23 May 2022 #3
He directly quoted frucker carlson in his "manifesto." PortTack May 2022 #4
Do you have that excerpt? herding cats May 2022 #5
Link? onenote May 2022 #16
One would think so. herding cats May 2022 #6
If you can't yell FIRE in a crowded theater ... Novara May 2022 #7
The FCC has zero authority over cable, satellite and the internet, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #8
I'm saying the law needs to be changed Novara May 2022 #9
Not going to happen MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #10
"Oh gosh, they might go after us" Novara May 2022 #17
Other than trashing the 1A, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #19
I'm not sure you know as much about the First Amendment as you think you do onenote May 2022 #12
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #13
You CAN shout "fire" in a crowded theater... brooklynite May 2022 #11
We are talking about extending the definition of laws we already have on the books. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #18
So songwriters whose lyrics are cited as motivation for a criminal act should be prosecuted? onenote May 2022 #25
Let's start with public figures who are directly talking to the people. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #28
Songwriters and performers are public figures who directly talk to the people onenote May 2022 #29
Inciting people to action, and inciting people to violence and murder are Baitball Blogger May 2022 #31
Just thinking that there is evidence melm00se May 2022 #14
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #15
I think a pundit on t.v. or a public political figure meets this standard. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #20
What you think and what the courts think are 2 different things. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #21
If they respond it will come because something will change their perspective. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #23
Not with this RW SCOTUS, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #24
I'm not so sure about that. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #26
This case cuts both ways and Brandenburg decision melm00se May 2022 #30
Really enjoyed talking with you. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #32
Then what do you suggest? Novara May 2022 #22
see #23 melm00se May 2022 #34
I believe the only way.... The Grand Illuminist May 2022 #27
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