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Hugabear

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Tue Oct 30, 2012, 01:47 PM Oct 2012

I think we may be witnessing the demise of the GOP [View all]

Or at least, the GOP as we currently know it.

If Mitt cannot defeat Obama next week - legitimately or illegitimately - I think we will begin to see the GOP unravel at the seams.

Hatred can only take you so far, and America will have once again rejected the GOP's insane rantings and vitriol. The GOP offers no solutions at all - only more of the same failed policies. All they can offer up is their fear and loathing. Their racism, sexism, and homophobia has been laid out bare for all to see.

The problem with the GOP is that it is fragmented among 3 elements. First are the Wall Street barons, the ultra wealthy who want to remove any and all government regulation, who would return us back to the early 20th century. Then there are the extremist religious fundamentalists, who would turn this country into a theocracy, put women back into the kitchen, and force homosexuals back into the closet upon pain of imprisonment. Finally, there is the very small minority among the rethugs - those who truly consider themselves moderate, who believe in a woman's right to privacy, who understand that climate change is real, etc. This group represents such a small minority that there is no real threat of them taking over the GOP anytime soon.

The Wall Street tycoons and the evangelicals view each other with distrust, IMHO. Up until now, they've made use of each other, knowing that neither can win on their own. But how long can that symbiotic relationship last? I think if they lose next week, we'll see some serious cracks in that alliance. Each will blame the other for the loss, and that animosity will only grow over the next few years.

Will the GOP actually fragment into two or more separate parties? Too early to tell, because as much as they absolutely despise each other, they still face the reality that they cannot win on their own. Without big money, the evangelicals cannot hope to continue to pick up seats in Congress. But Big Money also needs the rabid fervor that the evangelical group provides (witness the "Tea Party" explosion).

Regardless if they split up or not, however, I think we may very well be witnessing the decline of the GOP as a strong political party. Sure, they'll continue to win elections here and there, and they'll maintain enough of a presence in Congress to be a pain in the ass. And they'll still win a presidential election here and there. But the American people has seen what the GOP really is, and I don't think they like it one bit.

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Republicanism is already gone. It's all about who's most conservative now. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #1
Exactly. They've been in a death-spiral since '94 Scootaloo Oct 2012 #21
+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #34
Interesting Post WiffenPoof Oct 2012 #39
That's what I was getting at. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #59
I thought that was a brilliant analogy Risen Demon Oct 2012 #73
Bush, Jr., Palin, Romney. It's been going downhill for a while. randome Oct 2012 #2
No, the dozen or so plutocrats who own the Republican Party will never quit... Scuba Oct 2012 #3
It doesn't matter. It hasn't helped them this election. It didn't help them last. randome Oct 2012 #6
It damn sure helped them here in Wisconsin when we tried to recall Walker. Scuba Oct 2012 #11
What helped them win the Walker recall was a disorganized democratic party of Wisconsin, bluestate10 Oct 2012 #53
There's truth in what you wrote, but w/o the Koch money Walker would have lost. Scuba Oct 2012 #56
Some of them are getting real old, and not in such good physical shape. Get my crunch60 Oct 2012 #63
oh hell I've been thinking that for a long time........ barnabas63 Oct 2012 #4
I learned a big lesson from 2010 Cosmocat Oct 2012 #10
Just like Tweety says.. barnabas63 Oct 2012 #14
2010 happened because Democratic voters LET IT HAPPEN. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #27
That's the truth Cosmocat Oct 2012 #41
Oh bullshit. Turnout was normal for midterm. The Obama wave type voters crapped out TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #51
RABBLE RABBLE CENTRISTS RABBLE RABBLE Scootaloo Oct 2012 #60
My State of Oregon broke turn out records in 2010...why didn't yours? Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #69
If someone helped Republican fuckheads get into office... Scootaloo Oct 2012 #78
Points I can't refute...centrist...ignore context to hammer away at bogus point...appeal to street TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #79
The DU head in the sand crowd was led by Ed Schultz and Cenk. I could not believe bluestate10 Oct 2012 #54
Exactly, I've seen countless "Liberalism is dead" claims out there Puzzledtraveller Oct 2012 #72
Actually... kentuck Oct 2012 #5
Amen MFrohike Oct 2012 #62
The rotund Governor of NJ understands this implicity SubgeniusHasSlack Oct 2012 #7
I don't think that is the case, at all Cosmocat Oct 2012 #15
I hope you're right /eom Cigar11 Oct 2012 #8
The crazy- ruffburr Oct 2012 #9
Not so fast my friend oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #12
The alternative might be enough of a motivater... barnabas63 Oct 2012 #26
In the past, this kind of thing has ended one of three ways. jeff47 Oct 2012 #49
If that were true edhopper Oct 2012 #13
+1,000,000 Cosmocat Oct 2012 #16
I'm not sure about the demise of the pugs ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #18
Mostly likely true edhopper Oct 2012 #23
Of course the popular vote counts for something. former9thward Oct 2012 #58
Then there is also the Ron Paul part of the party Johonny Oct 2012 #17
Let's hope so mil_5529dem Oct 2012 #19
These morons won elections a half century ago screaming Cosmocat Oct 2012 #20
No, they didn't. jeff47 Oct 2012 #50
+1. Repubs were not always Rethugs. reformist2 Oct 2012 #66
Whatever wing of the party it was 50 years ago Cosmocat Oct 2012 #76
Point being it wasn't a wing of the party 50 years ago jeff47 Oct 2012 #77
I hope you're right. The party of Ike and Gerald Ford is long gone. Faygo Kid Oct 2012 #22
My mom said the same thing... slackmaster Oct 2012 #24
That was when they were taken over by the idealogues. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #30
Not quite. The GOP platform of 1976 was the last one with unequivocal support for the ERA... slackmaster Oct 2012 #42
doubtful. BlueMan Votes Oct 2012 #25
That's going to last until 2015 after the next midterms then they'll simmer down and go after the craigmatic Oct 2012 #32
HAHA! Republicans are experiencing that morning after Coyote Ugly Syndrome. Baitball Blogger Oct 2012 #28
Congrats! Doctor_J Oct 2012 #29
In a 2 party system one party can't die it can only become recessive. craigmatic Oct 2012 #31
Tell that to a Whig Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #33
That was before all the really big money entered politics. craigmatic Oct 2012 #48
Remember Tom Delay tried to destroy the Dems LeftInTX Oct 2012 #40
Actually Clinton and Obama are Ike republicans because of how far we've moved right. craigmatic Oct 2012 #47
....and they will be reborn. sibelian Oct 2012 #35
We hear this monthly. But they are still here! Logical Oct 2012 #36
There will be an internal battle for the soul of the republican party. ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #37
Republicans like being republican...the open racism, guns, homophobia...general ignorance... Evasporque Oct 2012 #38
We can only hope ellie Oct 2012 #43
Wish it were so, but the two party system is durable Spike89 Oct 2012 #44
When Fox is perceived as the voice of losing mick063 Oct 2012 #45
But they still have all the money!! and with money comes power, they will not go away RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #46
And the media Doctor_J Oct 2012 #65
The President is going to win. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #52
It's a generational thing... WCGreen Oct 2012 #55
That's what we thought in 2008. I think it's quite the opposite. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #57
Kucinich was not elected to Congress until 1997. Bluenorthwest Oct 2012 #71
Just using his political philosophy as an example. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #74
I think both have happened liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #75
I sure hope we are at least seeing the demise of the tea party candidates liberal_at_heart Oct 2012 #61
The Southern Strategy LeftInTX Oct 2012 #64
Not "as we currently know it", rather "as we knew it 15 years ago". The GOP will continue AlinPA Oct 2012 #67
the sooner the better spanone Oct 2012 #68
K&R, Very nicely said. Whovian Oct 2012 #70
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