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Ocelot II

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48. Exactly. The OP has it all ass-backwards.

Sun May 15, 2022, 03:15 PM

May 2022

If the 2nd Amendment just disappeared, states would be free to legislate whatever gun control they wanted, or none at all. They could amend their own constitutions conferring the right to bear whatever arms you want and do whatever you wanted with them. They could pass laws making it legal to own and carry a gun without any kind of license or restriction, and some have done just that. Other states could make all gun ownership completely illegal. So we'd have a patchwork of laws, and inevitably some residents of no-gun states would be importing guns from unrestricted-gun states - which also happens now. Nothing would appreciably change; guns would still be widely available, legally or not. There are already more guns in circulation than there are people to own them, and they aren't going away either. I really don't see how repealing the 2nd amendment would make a damn bit of difference, so I'd like to see an explanation for how that's supposed to work.

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Solution to Gun Control? Reject 2nd Amendment. It is that simple. [View all] Stuart G May 2022 OP

We needed an amendment to do away with slavery...how much chance is their for us Demsrule86 May 2022 #1

The 13th Amendment was also passed in a Congress full of vacancies Sympthsical May 2022 #8

Points well taken, but highly unlikely. Firestorm49 May 2022 #2

The real rub is you need 2/3 of the states to sign off. Just enforce the "well regulated militia" dutch777 May 2022 #18

That's incorrect, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #19

I stand corrected, and crap!, it's even worse. dutch777 May 2022 #27

IKR? MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #28

Having the right to bear arms shouldn't mean anyone can own any weapon they want. patphil May 2022 #3

Do Away with Amendment 2 Will Change the View of ..."What Owning a Weapon Is"...Just Do It! Stuart G May 2022 #4

Keep and Bear. maxsolomon May 2022 #42

Yes and if they can overrule any SCOTUS case treestar May 2022 #94

Unfortunately, it's not just GOPers who support more gunz. Hoyt May 2022 #5

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to amend the Constitution? Ocelot II May 2022 #6

So What if it is difficult?..45222 ...Gun Deaths a Year...2020...What Else Do You Need to Know? Stuart G May 2022 #7

Do you know anyone killed by a GUN?..Think about that for a moment? Anyone at all? Stuart G May 2022 #9

No, actually; I don't. Ocelot II May 2022 #13

Yes. maxsolomon May 2022 #44

Yes...........and? nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #45

And what happens when the authorities try to confiscate the more than MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #11

any confiscation is highly unlikely. maxsolomon May 2022 #103

Yeah, that was kinda my point, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #107

Would you just repeal the 2nd Amendment altogether? Ocelot II May 2022 #12

Yes, 2nd Amendment must Go!...Slavery Went, so 2nd Amendment needs to go too. Stuart G May 2022 #21

yeah, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #22

Well, then, have at it, and good luck. Ocelot II May 2022 #23

Suicide is a right manicdem May 2022 #72

so what if people thought that treestar May 2022 #93

The OP said it was a simple solution. Easy peasy, just do it. Ocelot II May 2022 #101

Let's try this City67 May 2022 #10

If we figured out how to stop straw purchases and shut down FFL dealers then we might have a shot at gldstwmn May 2022 #55

If you feel you can forcefully take guns away... LiberatedUSA May 2022 #14

I am not saying ...."forcefully take away guns"...Just take away the "Right To Bear Arms" Stuart G May 2022 #26

We already opened the door for red states to do what they want. LiberatedUSA May 2022 #54

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #58

Having all these firearms in the US AZProgressive May 2022 #87

I guess my point about it is this... LiberatedUSA May 2022 #88

it would apply to all rights manicdem May 2022 #73

Australia moondust May 2022 #15

This ain't Australia, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #17

So is the right sarisataka May 2022 #20

We can't because of the Second Amendment treestar May 2022 #106

Easy peasy, sarisataka May 2022 #16

Last time I looked we fought a civil war to get rid of slavery. former9thward May 2022 #24

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #25

We need NOT fight a civil war. Just do away with 2nd Amendment. States will take care of it Stuart G May 2022 #29

You make it sound easy, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #30

I'm good with that. Fla_Democrat May 2022 #81

Good idea if you want to see our party rip itself apart. SYFROYH May 2022 #31

Seems the OP isn't thinking ahead, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #33

Did you know that individual states have their own constitutions? Ocelot II May 2022 #32

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #34

YES, and some states will have strong laws: Which are " VERY RESTRICTIVE"...over time the proof will Stuart G May 2022 #37

Again, you refuse to answer the question of how you would repeal the 2A. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #38

All but 6 states melm00se May 2022 #57

Eggzackly. So many states have the situation covered Ocelot II May 2022 #59

gun control is really a state or local thing. melm00se May 2022 #61

What gun control laws is the 2A stopping? hack89 May 2022 #35

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #36

THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS TO BLAME. DO AWAY WITH IT..TAKE IT OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION.. Stuart G May 2022 #39

Putting it in capital letters doesn't change the fact that MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #40

How will deaths go down if the laws remain the same? hack89 May 2022 #41

Exactly. The OP has it all ass-backwards. Ocelot II May 2022 #48

... MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #49

10,000 people die a year in this country due to drunk drivers gladium et scutum May 2022 #56

Over 100,000 a year to drug overdose RaDaR63 May 2022 #66

And don't forget Rx drugs also, especially Fentanyl. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #67

I've had a few loved ones die of Fentanyl overdose RaDaR63 May 2022 #69

Maybe it will work better the second time? Ocelot II May 2022 #80

Bingo. Heller allowed for reasonable gun regulation. Ocelot II May 2022 #43

Allow me. 48656c6c6f20 May 2022 #46

+100. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #47

"Simple" enough to claim, but not at all simple to implement FBaggins May 2022 #50

Posting the Nike slogan RaDaR63 May 2022 #51

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #52

Gun control isn't going to be solved with Nike slogan. gldstwmn May 2022 #53

America loves its guns too much budkin May 2022 #60

That needs to be retaught in grammar schools everywhere..and Stuart G May 2022 #62

Oh, is that all it takes? BannonsLiver May 2022 #63

What about a strict interpretation of the 2nd Amendment... AntiFascist May 2022 #64

Well...we don't need a ..."well regulated militia" because we have a .."POLICE FORCE" Stuart G May 2022 #65

In California we have a California State Guard... AntiFascist May 2022 #68

yes and no. US Marshals were created in 1789. SYFROYH May 2022 #71

That's completely incorrect. Police in the form of county sheriffs existed in the colonies Ocelot II May 2022 #78

What about the massive number of guns already owned? Who will collect them? panader0 May 2022 #70

Feels like OP is trolling us. manicdem May 2022 #74

I am not trolling anyone. I don't do that. This is a real proposal to reduce gun violence. Stuart G May 2022 #76

decisive issue manicdem May 2022 #79

Better idea Joenobody May 2022 #75

I do not believe that is correct. It is incorrect. If all Democrats bought guns, there would be Stuart G May 2022 #77

who is they? Skittles May 2022 #83

oh yeah, that will solve everything Skittles May 2022 #82

There's been a lot of fucked up shit in our Constitution, and still is. hunter May 2022 #84

If it was simple, you and others would have done it already. Kaleva May 2022 #85

That's what the OP doesn't seem to understand, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #91

There simply isn't enough support to do what the OP suggests. Kaleva May 2022 #95

Your heart is in the right place, and your OP is well intentioned. LuckyCharms May 2022 #86

I was good up until this: MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #90

Here's the thing: LuckyCharms May 2022 #97

And I never told you to fuck off, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #98

I'm sorry that my wording implied that you said that to me. LuckyCharms May 2022 #104

It would probably take a civil war to do that fescuerescue May 2022 #89

certainly start a movement for it treestar May 2022 #92

Unfortunately, passing and ratifying a Constitutional Amendment that MineralMan May 2022 #96

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #99

The US should return to the original intent and purpose of the second amendment Johonny May 2022 #100

I agree, but the SCOTUS did not maxsolomon May 2022 #102

State Miltias weren't a "right" - they were mandatory. The people, as the militia, had a vital role BusterMove May 2022 #105