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61. YOU don't define the "true church" -- the members of the Church do.

Reply to msanthrope (Reply #58)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:54 PM

Oct 2012

And that includes the laity, acting in accord with their individual consciences.

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Gingrich on ABC: 'GET OVER IT' Mourdock�s Rape Comments Are What �Virtually Every Catholic� Believes [View all] trailmonkee Oct 2012 OP

He is horrible treestar Oct 2012 #1

Predestination is not a Catholic belief. Free will is. pnwmom Oct 2012 #2

Calvinist, I believe....? nt Wounded Bear Oct 2012 #6

Yes! nt pnwmom Oct 2012 #8

Scratch the surface of Martin Luther's theology and you'll also find a strong coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #23

It is a Catholic belief. You believe everyone is born with Original Sin, right? msanthrope Oct 2012 #13

Catholics don't believe in Predestination obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #20

Is Original Sin predestined on everyone? Then guess what? Predestination is a tenet of Roman msanthrope Oct 2012 #26

Wrong. Not since the death of Christ. According to Catholic belief, pnwmom Oct 2012 #32

"Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin." Your church doesn't agree with you. msanthrope Oct 2012 #35

The Church does not teach that children born without Baptism go to hell. That is absolutely wrong. pnwmom Oct 2012 #36

Yes, it does. Since the Council of Carthage XVI in 418. St. Augustine wrote the Canon. msanthrope Oct 2012 #37

St. Augustine didn't speak for the whole Church. He was one priest. pnwmom Oct 2012 #38

Agreed.. JH19059 Oct 2012 #39

Thanks -- yes, you and I learned the same things pnwmom Oct 2012 #42

If you learned these things, then why don't you cite them? msanthrope Oct 2012 #45

Anecdote aside, could you point to the church document that backs up your msanthrope Oct 2012 #49

I never said that baptism isn't important for Christians. But that isn't because babies pnwmom Oct 2012 #53

Baptism remains de fide to Catholics. And an magazine article doesn't override msanthrope Oct 2012 #55

The Jesuit magazine article was written clearly and simply enough pnwmom Oct 2012 #57

A magazine article doesn't override revolting infallible dogma on Baptism. Maybe Benedict will msanthrope Oct 2012 #58

YOU don't define the "true church" -- the members of the Church do. pnwmom Oct 2012 #61

Let me ask you something about the 'true church.' msanthrope Oct 2012 #62

This is where you go wrong. pnwmom Oct 2012 #70

Words of Jesus? Like the part where he founded his church on a pope? msanthrope Oct 2012 #71

Jesus never used the word "Pope" in any language. And designating Peter as the "rock" of his Church pnwmom Oct 2012 #72

Dude--you are the one who brought up papal primacy. msanthrope Oct 2012 #73

Where did I do that? You did, in post #71. n/t pnwmom Oct 2012 #74

You are the one who cited Pastor Aeternus. msanthrope Oct 2012 #76

I'm guessing that was one of a bunch of citations on a Wikipedia article. pnwmom Oct 2012 #77

Post 38--you quote "Pastor Aeternus" extensively. It even says "Pastor Aeternus." msanthrope Oct 2012 #78

That post was about how LIMITED the Pope's power is -- which is the opposite of pnwmom Oct 2012 #80

Um no---Pastor Aeternus grants the pope the same power as the councils, expanding the Magisterium. msanthrope Oct 2012 #81

Using the 'no true Scotsman' on Augustine? The guy who defined "Original Sin" for Christianity? msanthrope Oct 2012 #43

To be an infallible doctrine, pnwmom Oct 2012 #48

What? You read the action of that verb incorrectly, m'dear. You might wanna read the whole msanthrope Oct 2012 #50

You're the one misinterpreting that sentence. pnwmom Oct 2012 #52

A magazine article does not override Canon Law. SHow us where the canon msanthrope Oct 2012 #54

Another monumental lie by Gingrich. nt ladjf Oct 2012 #3

How disgusting. gademocrat7 Oct 2012 #4

Actually, depending on the survey, less than a quarter agree with the church's position and about Brickbat Oct 2012 #5

And it is not even the hierarchy's position that God meant the pregnancy to happen pnwmom Oct 2012 #9

Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #21

Then your god is a bystander? msanthrope Oct 2012 #47

The Fat Gut From McLean.... SingleSeatBiggerMeat Oct 2012 #7

He spent more time scouting out his next wife at RCIA class than paying attention. rug Oct 2012 #10

Coming from a guy who treats his wives like used Kleenex tblue Oct 2012 #11

Gingrich John2 Oct 2012 #12

Classic republican reasoning ..... the end justifies the means Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #14

why is anyone listening to him at this point!!? DonRedwood Oct 2012 #15

Wow. He is so full of shit. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #16

Oh, C'mon. Not almost every catholic, EVERY Christian of any stripe cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #17

You skipped the "Free Will" lesson. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #19

Actually, you skipped the free will lesson cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #63

Not true for anyone who believes in Free Will obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #22

Sorry. Wrong. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #64

Wish I could have a few drinks with you and talk religion. dawg Oct 2012 #69

No, we don't all think that way. dawg Oct 2012 #41

The existence of heresy does not define Christianity cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #65

Predestination isn't a key doctrine of Christianity. dawg Oct 2012 #67

By the way, I think there were seven ... dawg Oct 2012 #68

The great Newt, always honest except when he speaks, believe him, his first two wives would say no. Thinkingabout Oct 2012 #18

Catholics believe in Free Will obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #24

So why does "god" get credit argiel1234 Oct 2012 #46

You have repeated that a bunch of times, and it isn't getting any truer cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #66

I am Catholic and always have been! imanamerican63 Oct 2012 #25

I get it. "God's intention only shows up after the man has ummm. Finishes." timlot Oct 2012 #27

Thank GOD for Newt! Rex Oct 2012 #28

riddle me this...why the fuck is newt gingrich on tv talking about anything? spanone Oct 2012 #29

I'm Catholic, I don't believe rape is God's will, or "just another method TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #30

That's because you are a Catholic and Gingrich only thinks he is. pnwmom Oct 2012 #33

Which is exactly why I want these "pro life" Neanderthals nowhere near our government. Initech Oct 2012 #31

Hey, Newt? What do most Catholics believe about marriage/divorce? LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #34

crickets LiberalElite Oct 2012 #40

Pay enough money to the RCC, and all is forgiven. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #79

That very well may be so, it may be what Catholics believe or want to believe. liberalhistorian Oct 2012 #44

I hate this BULLSHIT. Rape has nothing to do with abortion. hunter Oct 2012 #51

Surveys after surveys of Catholics point to this not being the case. Nothing but pot stirring. mmonk Oct 2012 #56

not too schooled up on religion,but if the product of rape is "God's Will" SparkyOR Oct 2012 #59

Original sin is a lie based on a fairy tale. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #60

But religious beliefs shouldn't be made law wishlist Oct 2012 #75