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msanthrope

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62. Let me ask you something about the 'true church.'

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:09 PM

Oct 2012

Who pays settlements in the 'true church?' The laity?

Who owns the buildings? The laity?

Who makes the rules? The laity?

Who tries to influence the outcome of this election? The laity?

Who transubstantiates? The laity?

The fact is--the laity can do none of the core functions of the church, nor the most sacred rites.

The Magisterium is the true church, and always has been, from the moment Simeon was told that he was chosen Peter. (Matt. 16:18)

Now, in 1517 a man thought as you do. I'd find a hammer and nails.

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He is horrible treestar Oct 2012 #1

Predestination is not a Catholic belief. Free will is. pnwmom Oct 2012 #2

Calvinist, I believe....? nt Wounded Bear Oct 2012 #6

Yes! nt pnwmom Oct 2012 #8

Scratch the surface of Martin Luther's theology and you'll also find a strong coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #23

It is a Catholic belief. You believe everyone is born with Original Sin, right? msanthrope Oct 2012 #13

Catholics don't believe in Predestination obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #20

Is Original Sin predestined on everyone? Then guess what? Predestination is a tenet of Roman msanthrope Oct 2012 #26

Wrong. Not since the death of Christ. According to Catholic belief, pnwmom Oct 2012 #32

"Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin." Your church doesn't agree with you. msanthrope Oct 2012 #35

The Church does not teach that children born without Baptism go to hell. That is absolutely wrong. pnwmom Oct 2012 #36

Yes, it does. Since the Council of Carthage XVI in 418. St. Augustine wrote the Canon. msanthrope Oct 2012 #37

St. Augustine didn't speak for the whole Church. He was one priest. pnwmom Oct 2012 #38

Agreed.. JH19059 Oct 2012 #39

Thanks -- yes, you and I learned the same things pnwmom Oct 2012 #42

If you learned these things, then why don't you cite them? msanthrope Oct 2012 #45

Anecdote aside, could you point to the church document that backs up your msanthrope Oct 2012 #49

I never said that baptism isn't important for Christians. But that isn't because babies pnwmom Oct 2012 #53

Baptism remains de fide to Catholics. And an magazine article doesn't override msanthrope Oct 2012 #55

The Jesuit magazine article was written clearly and simply enough pnwmom Oct 2012 #57

A magazine article doesn't override revolting infallible dogma on Baptism. Maybe Benedict will msanthrope Oct 2012 #58

YOU don't define the "true church" -- the members of the Church do. pnwmom Oct 2012 #61

Let me ask you something about the 'true church.' msanthrope Oct 2012 #62

This is where you go wrong. pnwmom Oct 2012 #70

Words of Jesus? Like the part where he founded his church on a pope? msanthrope Oct 2012 #71

Jesus never used the word "Pope" in any language. And designating Peter as the "rock" of his Church pnwmom Oct 2012 #72

Dude--you are the one who brought up papal primacy. msanthrope Oct 2012 #73

Where did I do that? You did, in post #71. n/t pnwmom Oct 2012 #74

You are the one who cited Pastor Aeternus. msanthrope Oct 2012 #76

I'm guessing that was one of a bunch of citations on a Wikipedia article. pnwmom Oct 2012 #77

Post 38--you quote "Pastor Aeternus" extensively. It even says "Pastor Aeternus." msanthrope Oct 2012 #78

That post was about how LIMITED the Pope's power is -- which is the opposite of pnwmom Oct 2012 #80

Um no---Pastor Aeternus grants the pope the same power as the councils, expanding the Magisterium. msanthrope Oct 2012 #81

Using the 'no true Scotsman' on Augustine? The guy who defined "Original Sin" for Christianity? msanthrope Oct 2012 #43

To be an infallible doctrine, pnwmom Oct 2012 #48

What? You read the action of that verb incorrectly, m'dear. You might wanna read the whole msanthrope Oct 2012 #50

You're the one misinterpreting that sentence. pnwmom Oct 2012 #52

A magazine article does not override Canon Law. SHow us where the canon msanthrope Oct 2012 #54

Another monumental lie by Gingrich. nt ladjf Oct 2012 #3

How disgusting. gademocrat7 Oct 2012 #4

Actually, depending on the survey, less than a quarter agree with the church's position and about Brickbat Oct 2012 #5

And it is not even the hierarchy's position that God meant the pregnancy to happen pnwmom Oct 2012 #9

Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #21

Then your god is a bystander? msanthrope Oct 2012 #47

The Fat Gut From McLean.... SingleSeatBiggerMeat Oct 2012 #7

He spent more time scouting out his next wife at RCIA class than paying attention. rug Oct 2012 #10

Coming from a guy who treats his wives like used Kleenex tblue Oct 2012 #11

Gingrich John2 Oct 2012 #12

Classic republican reasoning ..... the end justifies the means Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #14

why is anyone listening to him at this point!!? DonRedwood Oct 2012 #15

Wow. He is so full of shit. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #16

Oh, C'mon. Not almost every catholic, EVERY Christian of any stripe cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #17

You skipped the "Free Will" lesson. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #19

Actually, you skipped the free will lesson cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #63

Not true for anyone who believes in Free Will obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #22

Sorry. Wrong. cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #64

Wish I could have a few drinks with you and talk religion. dawg Oct 2012 #69

No, we don't all think that way. dawg Oct 2012 #41

The existence of heresy does not define Christianity cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #65

Predestination isn't a key doctrine of Christianity. dawg Oct 2012 #67

By the way, I think there were seven ... dawg Oct 2012 #68

The great Newt, always honest except when he speaks, believe him, his first two wives would say no. Thinkingabout Oct 2012 #18

Catholics believe in Free Will obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #24

So why does "god" get credit argiel1234 Oct 2012 #46

You have repeated that a bunch of times, and it isn't getting any truer cthulu2016 Oct 2012 #66

I am Catholic and always have been! imanamerican63 Oct 2012 #25

I get it. "God's intention only shows up after the man has ummm. Finishes." timlot Oct 2012 #27

Thank GOD for Newt! Rex Oct 2012 #28

riddle me this...why the fuck is newt gingrich on tv talking about anything? spanone Oct 2012 #29

I'm Catholic, I don't believe rape is God's will, or "just another method TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #30

That's because you are a Catholic and Gingrich only thinks he is. pnwmom Oct 2012 #33

Which is exactly why I want these "pro life" Neanderthals nowhere near our government. Initech Oct 2012 #31

Hey, Newt? What do most Catholics believe about marriage/divorce? LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #34

crickets LiberalElite Oct 2012 #40

Pay enough money to the RCC, and all is forgiven. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #79

That very well may be so, it may be what Catholics believe or want to believe. liberalhistorian Oct 2012 #44

I hate this BULLSHIT. Rape has nothing to do with abortion. hunter Oct 2012 #51

Surveys after surveys of Catholics point to this not being the case. Nothing but pot stirring. mmonk Oct 2012 #56

not too schooled up on religion,but if the product of rape is "God's Will" SparkyOR Oct 2012 #59

Original sin is a lie based on a fairy tale. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #60

But religious beliefs shouldn't be made law wishlist Oct 2012 #75