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119. I'd have to sort of disagree on one point: I think speech sometimes *can* be violence

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Thu May 26, 2022, 10:53 AM

May 2022

which is why we should not ever tolerate hate speech

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Holy fucking shit, he was inside for 40 minutes and the cops were afraid to go in! [View all] Novara May 2022 OP

Total clusterfuck Walleye May 2022 #1

Did anyone hear AnnetteChaffee May 2022 #99

I don't think most people can imagine the kind of damage this kind of weapon does to the human body Walleye May 2022 #104

It needs to be talked about. Our society NEEDS to know all the horrifying details. Crunchy Frog May 2022 #150

They always are. Situations are just too volatile and leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #102

Exactly. I hate when people brag about what they would've done Walleye May 2022 #103

People just panic. I know I would. I would be diving leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #105

this is why constant training is crucial, so that muscle memory takes over anarch May 2022 #127

I read that the guy just shoved his way in. Some poor leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #147

Why were they afraid? malaise May 2022 #2

The police response (or really lack of timely response) is telling Jarqui May 2022 #22

The police had the same weapons, just about every police car has an AR-15 in it these days Amishman May 2022 #28

I didn't know that Jarqui May 2022 #55

I have to disagree with you about the racial component Amishman May 2022 #71

Sometimes I don't know what to think anymore. Jarqui May 2022 #94

I can't agree that there are "a lot fewer true racists" wnylib May 2022 #98

I'm white Jarqui May 2022 #108

I'd have to sort of disagree on one point: I think speech sometimes *can* be violence anarch May 2022 #119

Good point. wnylib May 2022 #130

from memory 90-percent May 2022 #100

I remember that. nt Jarqui May 2022 #109

exactly right inthewind21 May 2022 #135

their job is not to protect children, it is to "enforce the law" by protecting private property anarch May 2022 #118

Really? inthewind21 May 2022 #136

that is enforcing the law after the fact; that is part of their job too anarch May 2022 #146

I don't think they anticipated or trained for this in Uvalde LeftInTX May 2022 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise May 2022 #37

And yet the governor was not sure that malaise May 2022 #38

Anger issues, testosterone, and assault weapons Novara May 2022 #45

I hope his grandma survives malaise May 2022 #49

She died inthewind21 May 2022 #137

We're not getting the truth malaise May 2022 #149

She is reported to be alive this afternoon unless she passed in the last hour since I looked. gldstwmn May 2022 #156

How could a mentally healthy person blow away 19 children and two teachers? Jarqui May 2022 #56

That is a rational,question for those of us who would never contemplate malaise May 2022 #62

We can say that because we're not full of rage and testosterone Novara May 2022 #66

It is quite common that shooters like this do not have documented mental health issues. Jarqui May 2022 #83

I think a good portion of our populace is "fucked in the head" Novara May 2022 #93

And then they disallow learning about the past in schools Jarqui May 2022 #96

our society is broken; people in general are hopeless, alienated and feel essentially powerless anarch May 2022 #125

What does not compute is why just in America???? The Jungle 1 May 2022 #111

Opportunity and culture. betsuni May 2022 #116

That too maybe Jarqui May 2022 #151

I think we agree but I want to clarify my point. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #158

I generally agree Jarqui May 2022 #160

Is it is as simple as the gun lobby and their campaign money? The Jungle 1 May 2022 #161

I think it is bigger than that. Jarqui May 2022 #162

Supporting you position is this. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #163

Perhaps. But the cops all have similiar or better weapons themselvs fescuerescue May 2022 #132

Why do you think he was mentally ill? inthewind21 May 2022 #134

They Shoot People For Grabbing Their Drivers Licenses and Claim They Feared for Their Life. ruet May 2022 #82

And it seems like cops are only good at shooting unarmed black men. nt Samrob May 2022 #88

They are going to have to answer why malaise May 2022 #106

I highly doubt it inthewind21 May 2022 #138

The school wasn't locked. He should not have been able to get in. Srkdqltr May 2022 #3

That's difficult to do for a school with a wide open campus and multiple buildings In It to Win It May 2022 #57

The school my granddaughter goes to has several doors. Srkdqltr May 2022 #61

All of my K-12 schools, once you get past the gate surrounding the campus In It to Win It May 2022 #80

Is this recent? Where I live (a dictatorship red state) the doors to the schools are double entry .. uponit7771 May 2022 #101

This isn't recent. I live in Florida. We had a shooting at my school in 2008 In It to Win It May 2022 #107

WOW !! There should no doubt be some procedures to protect schools in these areas that ... uponit7771 May 2022 #112

I was wondering about that... how/why did he have such easy access? liberalla May 2022 #68

Not an excuse for having a man with an assault weapon inside for 40 mins. Samrob May 2022 #89

+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst May 2022 #148

The good guy with a gun argument lost on this slaughter! Emile May 2022 #4

Absolutely! 70sEraVet May 2022 #60

The cops sacrificed everyone in the classroom lapfog_1 May 2022 #5

I'm Not Willing To Go There ProfessorGAC May 2022 #11

I think you may be right. ShazzieB May 2022 #16

some apparently survived. lapfog_1 May 2022 #17

In this case, some of these officers are likely to suffer long term effects of this attack Probatim May 2022 #24

what about the children that survived. lapfog_1 May 2022 #26

I don't even want to think about that - so I didn't post about it. Probatim May 2022 #29

Give those kids some thought, and here's another thought for you: Paladin May 2022 #44

The cops did sign up for it - and they are going to pay for their inaction. Probatim May 2022 #52

I care about the innocent children those cops left to fend for themselves. F*** those cops. LonePirate May 2022 #72

Frightening indeed n/t malaise May 2022 #51

+1, IINM the current policy is *NOT* to wait but confront the shooter right away!! uponit7771 May 2022 #115

There were... 2naSalit May 2022 #18

this is the EPITOME of Monday morning quarterbacking stopdiggin May 2022 #34

Would a video help? 867-5309. May 2022 #74

not in the slightest stopdiggin May 2022 #154

There's plenty inthewind21 May 2022 #139

oh, we certainly don't lack for 'information' in today's environment stopdiggin May 2022 #155

I will go there. Those cowardly cops failed to protect those kids. LonePirate May 2022 #67

+1, the policy since Columbine is to confront the shooter! Not wait and bullshit around for 40 mins uponit7771 May 2022 #114

***DISAGREE*** The current policy is to get to the shooter QUICKLY not stop because they're ... uponit7771 May 2022 #113

K&R superpatriotman May 2022 #6

If one of the cops was my wife, would I want her to go charging in there? Thats one of the reasons brewens May 2022 #7

If the onlookers had time to think about storming the school themselves ... Novara May 2022 #12

BS - "if the onlookers at the scene -" stopdiggin May 2022 #40

I mean Dorian Gray May 2022 #25

When robert dear started shooting at our Planned Parenthood on that Black Friday niyad May 2022 #77

Oh gosh Dorian Gray May 2022 #110

He was indeed. He was not known to me, but I honour him. Those heavily-armed niyad May 2022 #120

I have quite a few relatives who are cops. Irish_Dem May 2022 #27

If the cops did storm in Crazyleftie May 2022 #41

How do you "contain" a shooter in a room... ret5hd May 2022 #8

+1 2naSalit May 2022 #20

+1 Bettie May 2022 #58

This. nt crickets May 2022 #129

This statement: "They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom." Mind fuck. JanMichael May 2022 #9

lying, self-serving sacks of shit who do nothing for the people of Texas anarch May 2022 #122

Not so macho now, are we? How did all that power help save those kids? lindysalsagal May 2022 #10

They probably won't face any discipline or liability for this Amishman May 2022 #32

"no obligation to protect the public"???? Novara May 2022 #36

to file reports and issue speeding tickets Amishman May 2022 #39

Cops take reports and investigate crimes. PTWB May 2022 #95

to protect private property and break up labor strikes anarch May 2022 #124

That's the truth they have no obligation to protect the public Bettie May 2022 #54

Cops always show up late after the crime is over all dressed up for each other pwb May 2022 #13

And did you see the dozens of heavily armed officers PCIntern May 2022 #15

I did see that and wondered why they were guarding the door. 2naSalit May 2022 #21

"Go in there! Go in there!" Kid Berwyn May 2022 #14

Don't be silly. Cops are only brave against unarmed citizens alphafemale May 2022 #19

+1 2naSalit May 2022 #23

Tactical decision to confine armed gunman in a classroom full of 2nd graders. Irish_Dem May 2022 #30

This is almost unbearable: WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #31

so there was an initial engagement with the shooter? stopdiggin May 2022 #46

"They were unprepared" is pretty much the dirty secret of America. Renew Deal May 2022 #33

Ukraine has been fighting an urban war for nearly a decade lapfog_1 May 2022 #42

Great point about the mere decade of training the Ukraine military has had. jaxexpat May 2022 #79

well. barbtries May 2022 #35

Correct greenjar_01 May 2022 #64

Fearing for your life only works if the person is unarmed AZLD4Candidate May 2022 #43

Maybe that "Smokey and the Bandit" Mayor will have an answer today...that sonofabitch Bengus81 May 2022 #47

Honestly, there would have to be a swat team on duty at every school milestogo May 2022 #48

Which is a capitulation that schools are targets and they don't intend to do a damn thing about it Novara May 2022 #50

OK, so how does the saying go... Karma13612 May 2022 #53

Here is a video showing the parents trying to get law enforcement to go into school LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #59

+1. Disgraceful dalton99a May 2022 #69

Holy Shit malaise May 2022 #70

Incensed onlookers, cowardly cops. Maybe they needed a few Todd Beamer types... FailureToCommunicate May 2022 #87

Unbelievable! blueknight73 May 2022 #63

Good guys with guns, my Aunt Fanny. DinahMoeHum May 2022 #65

If they knew what classroom they were in aren't there windows? I wasn't ever in doc03 May 2022 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst May 2022 #75

You're way behind inthewind21 May 2022 #140

But they risk their lives for us every day!!! 867-5309. May 2022 #76

It just gets more horrific with each new detail liberal N proud May 2022 #78

I had a gut feeling from the begining that something was not right randr May 2022 #81

yes inthewind21 May 2022 #141

They prioritize people who are unarmed and black IronLionZion May 2022 #84

One thing we rarely hear about and the right always claims "mental illness" is how they got that way Evolve Dammit May 2022 #85

Emergency Response Bear Creek May 2022 #86

Really??? atreides1 May 2022 #123

You do it then Bear Creek May 2022 #128

So inthewind21 May 2022 #142

They were probably afraid there was a trans kid in there. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #90

Trans kid reading a book on CRT - and they could have been exposed to that ck4829 May 2022 #91

A minority inthewind21 May 2022 #144

Abbott would prosecute them for supporting trans and critical race theory LeftInTX May 2022 #153

Bottom line The Revolution May 2022 #92

I'm really getting the impression this whole thing was entirely preventable at multiple points anarch May 2022 #117

It was certainly preventable at the point of purchase greenjar_01 May 2022 #143

It's all about the Benjamins, mate. Wednesdays May 2022 #145

The majority of US coppers are gutless thug bullies, so this shite is hardly a surprise. Celerity May 2022 #121

The issue, to me, is ellie May 2022 #126

Police training needs to improve fescuerescue May 2022 #131

And yet the chickenshit cops didn't go in. Novara May 2022 #133

Supposedly their cops eat up 40% of the town budget. Defunding the police Hassler May 2022 #157

It took 3+ hours for police to enter the Pulse nightclub after the massacre. WarGamer May 2022 #159