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inthewind21

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140. You're way behind

Thu May 26, 2022, 01:31 PM

May 2022

on your information. No, the cops were not outgunned, as is obvious by the videos posted right on this thread as well as news footage. The shooter had 1 gun. There were at least 5 officers I counted in the videos on this very thread ALL carrying "long guns." No, the murderer was NOT wearing body armor but the police were. That's was clarified yesterday in the police press conference. And no, everyone has not pointed out. But you sure are jumping through hoops trying to. Even though there is video/news evidence that proved you wrong. Talk about charging in unarmed.

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Holy fucking shit, he was inside for 40 minutes and the cops were afraid to go in! [View all] Novara May 2022 OP

Total clusterfuck Walleye May 2022 #1

Did anyone hear AnnetteChaffee May 2022 #99

I don't think most people can imagine the kind of damage this kind of weapon does to the human body Walleye May 2022 #104

It needs to be talked about. Our society NEEDS to know all the horrifying details. Crunchy Frog May 2022 #150

They always are. Situations are just too volatile and leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #102

Exactly. I hate when people brag about what they would've done Walleye May 2022 #103

People just panic. I know I would. I would be diving leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #105

this is why constant training is crucial, so that muscle memory takes over anarch May 2022 #127

I read that the guy just shoved his way in. Some poor leftyladyfrommo May 2022 #147

Why were they afraid? malaise May 2022 #2

The police response (or really lack of timely response) is telling Jarqui May 2022 #22

The police had the same weapons, just about every police car has an AR-15 in it these days Amishman May 2022 #28

I didn't know that Jarqui May 2022 #55

I have to disagree with you about the racial component Amishman May 2022 #71

Sometimes I don't know what to think anymore. Jarqui May 2022 #94

I can't agree that there are "a lot fewer true racists" wnylib May 2022 #98

I'm white Jarqui May 2022 #108

I'd have to sort of disagree on one point: I think speech sometimes *can* be violence anarch May 2022 #119

Good point. wnylib May 2022 #130

from memory 90-percent May 2022 #100

I remember that. nt Jarqui May 2022 #109

exactly right inthewind21 May 2022 #135

their job is not to protect children, it is to "enforce the law" by protecting private property anarch May 2022 #118

Really? inthewind21 May 2022 #136

that is enforcing the law after the fact; that is part of their job too anarch May 2022 #146

I don't think they anticipated or trained for this in Uvalde LeftInTX May 2022 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise May 2022 #37

And yet the governor was not sure that malaise May 2022 #38

Anger issues, testosterone, and assault weapons Novara May 2022 #45

I hope his grandma survives malaise May 2022 #49

She died inthewind21 May 2022 #137

We're not getting the truth malaise May 2022 #149

She is reported to be alive this afternoon unless she passed in the last hour since I looked. gldstwmn May 2022 #156

How could a mentally healthy person blow away 19 children and two teachers? Jarqui May 2022 #56

That is a rational,question for those of us who would never contemplate malaise May 2022 #62

We can say that because we're not full of rage and testosterone Novara May 2022 #66

It is quite common that shooters like this do not have documented mental health issues. Jarqui May 2022 #83

I think a good portion of our populace is "fucked in the head" Novara May 2022 #93

And then they disallow learning about the past in schools Jarqui May 2022 #96

our society is broken; people in general are hopeless, alienated and feel essentially powerless anarch May 2022 #125

What does not compute is why just in America???? The Jungle 1 May 2022 #111

Opportunity and culture. betsuni May 2022 #116

That too maybe Jarqui May 2022 #151

I think we agree but I want to clarify my point. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #158

I generally agree Jarqui May 2022 #160

Is it is as simple as the gun lobby and their campaign money? The Jungle 1 May 2022 #161

I think it is bigger than that. Jarqui May 2022 #162

Supporting you position is this. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #163

Perhaps. But the cops all have similiar or better weapons themselvs fescuerescue May 2022 #132

Why do you think he was mentally ill? inthewind21 May 2022 #134

They Shoot People For Grabbing Their Drivers Licenses and Claim They Feared for Their Life. ruet May 2022 #82

And it seems like cops are only good at shooting unarmed black men. nt Samrob May 2022 #88

They are going to have to answer why malaise May 2022 #106

I highly doubt it inthewind21 May 2022 #138

The school wasn't locked. He should not have been able to get in. Srkdqltr May 2022 #3

That's difficult to do for a school with a wide open campus and multiple buildings In It to Win It May 2022 #57

The school my granddaughter goes to has several doors. Srkdqltr May 2022 #61

All of my K-12 schools, once you get past the gate surrounding the campus In It to Win It May 2022 #80

Is this recent? Where I live (a dictatorship red state) the doors to the schools are double entry .. uponit7771 May 2022 #101

This isn't recent. I live in Florida. We had a shooting at my school in 2008 In It to Win It May 2022 #107

WOW !! There should no doubt be some procedures to protect schools in these areas that ... uponit7771 May 2022 #112

I was wondering about that... how/why did he have such easy access? liberalla May 2022 #68

Not an excuse for having a man with an assault weapon inside for 40 mins. Samrob May 2022 #89

+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst May 2022 #148

The good guy with a gun argument lost on this slaughter! Emile May 2022 #4

Absolutely! 70sEraVet May 2022 #60

The cops sacrificed everyone in the classroom lapfog_1 May 2022 #5

I'm Not Willing To Go There ProfessorGAC May 2022 #11

I think you may be right. ShazzieB May 2022 #16

some apparently survived. lapfog_1 May 2022 #17

In this case, some of these officers are likely to suffer long term effects of this attack Probatim May 2022 #24

what about the children that survived. lapfog_1 May 2022 #26

I don't even want to think about that - so I didn't post about it. Probatim May 2022 #29

Give those kids some thought, and here's another thought for you: Paladin May 2022 #44

The cops did sign up for it - and they are going to pay for their inaction. Probatim May 2022 #52

I care about the innocent children those cops left to fend for themselves. F*** those cops. LonePirate May 2022 #72

Frightening indeed n/t malaise May 2022 #51

+1, IINM the current policy is *NOT* to wait but confront the shooter right away!! uponit7771 May 2022 #115

There were... 2naSalit May 2022 #18

this is the EPITOME of Monday morning quarterbacking stopdiggin May 2022 #34

Would a video help? 867-5309. May 2022 #74

not in the slightest stopdiggin May 2022 #154

There's plenty inthewind21 May 2022 #139

oh, we certainly don't lack for 'information' in today's environment stopdiggin May 2022 #155

I will go there. Those cowardly cops failed to protect those kids. LonePirate May 2022 #67

+1, the policy since Columbine is to confront the shooter! Not wait and bullshit around for 40 mins uponit7771 May 2022 #114

***DISAGREE*** The current policy is to get to the shooter QUICKLY not stop because they're ... uponit7771 May 2022 #113

K&R superpatriotman May 2022 #6

If one of the cops was my wife, would I want her to go charging in there? Thats one of the reasons brewens May 2022 #7

If the onlookers had time to think about storming the school themselves ... Novara May 2022 #12

BS - "if the onlookers at the scene -" stopdiggin May 2022 #40

I mean Dorian Gray May 2022 #25

When robert dear started shooting at our Planned Parenthood on that Black Friday niyad May 2022 #77

Oh gosh Dorian Gray May 2022 #110

He was indeed. He was not known to me, but I honour him. Those heavily-armed niyad May 2022 #120

I have quite a few relatives who are cops. Irish_Dem May 2022 #27

If the cops did storm in Crazyleftie May 2022 #41

How do you "contain" a shooter in a room... ret5hd May 2022 #8

+1 2naSalit May 2022 #20

+1 Bettie May 2022 #58

This. nt crickets May 2022 #129

This statement: "They did contain (Ramos) in the classroom." Mind fuck. JanMichael May 2022 #9

lying, self-serving sacks of shit who do nothing for the people of Texas anarch May 2022 #122

Not so macho now, are we? How did all that power help save those kids? lindysalsagal May 2022 #10

They probably won't face any discipline or liability for this Amishman May 2022 #32

"no obligation to protect the public"???? Novara May 2022 #36

to file reports and issue speeding tickets Amishman May 2022 #39

Cops take reports and investigate crimes. PTWB May 2022 #95

to protect private property and break up labor strikes anarch May 2022 #124

That's the truth they have no obligation to protect the public Bettie May 2022 #54

Cops always show up late after the crime is over all dressed up for each other pwb May 2022 #13

And did you see the dozens of heavily armed officers PCIntern May 2022 #15

I did see that and wondered why they were guarding the door. 2naSalit May 2022 #21

"Go in there! Go in there!" Kid Berwyn May 2022 #14

Don't be silly. Cops are only brave against unarmed citizens alphafemale May 2022 #19

+1 2naSalit May 2022 #23

Tactical decision to confine armed gunman in a classroom full of 2nd graders. Irish_Dem May 2022 #30

This is almost unbearable: WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #31

so there was an initial engagement with the shooter? stopdiggin May 2022 #46

"They were unprepared" is pretty much the dirty secret of America. Renew Deal May 2022 #33

Ukraine has been fighting an urban war for nearly a decade lapfog_1 May 2022 #42

Great point about the mere decade of training the Ukraine military has had. jaxexpat May 2022 #79

well. barbtries May 2022 #35

Correct greenjar_01 May 2022 #64

Fearing for your life only works if the person is unarmed AZLD4Candidate May 2022 #43

Maybe that "Smokey and the Bandit" Mayor will have an answer today...that sonofabitch Bengus81 May 2022 #47

Honestly, there would have to be a swat team on duty at every school milestogo May 2022 #48

Which is a capitulation that schools are targets and they don't intend to do a damn thing about it Novara May 2022 #50

OK, so how does the saying go... Karma13612 May 2022 #53

Here is a video showing the parents trying to get law enforcement to go into school LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #59

+1. Disgraceful dalton99a May 2022 #69

Holy Shit malaise May 2022 #70

Incensed onlookers, cowardly cops. Maybe they needed a few Todd Beamer types... FailureToCommunicate May 2022 #87

Unbelievable! blueknight73 May 2022 #63

Good guys with guns, my Aunt Fanny. DinahMoeHum May 2022 #65

If they knew what classroom they were in aren't there windows? I wasn't ever in doc03 May 2022 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst May 2022 #75

You're way behind inthewind21 May 2022 #140

But they risk their lives for us every day!!! 867-5309. May 2022 #76

It just gets more horrific with each new detail liberal N proud May 2022 #78

I had a gut feeling from the begining that something was not right randr May 2022 #81

yes inthewind21 May 2022 #141

They prioritize people who are unarmed and black IronLionZion May 2022 #84

One thing we rarely hear about and the right always claims "mental illness" is how they got that way Evolve Dammit May 2022 #85

Emergency Response Bear Creek May 2022 #86

Really??? atreides1 May 2022 #123

You do it then Bear Creek May 2022 #128

So inthewind21 May 2022 #142

They were probably afraid there was a trans kid in there. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #90

Trans kid reading a book on CRT - and they could have been exposed to that ck4829 May 2022 #91

A minority inthewind21 May 2022 #144

Abbott would prosecute them for supporting trans and critical race theory LeftInTX May 2022 #153

Bottom line The Revolution May 2022 #92

I'm really getting the impression this whole thing was entirely preventable at multiple points anarch May 2022 #117

It was certainly preventable at the point of purchase greenjar_01 May 2022 #143

It's all about the Benjamins, mate. Wednesdays May 2022 #145

The majority of US coppers are gutless thug bullies, so this shite is hardly a surprise. Celerity May 2022 #121

The issue, to me, is ellie May 2022 #126

Police training needs to improve fescuerescue May 2022 #131

And yet the chickenshit cops didn't go in. Novara May 2022 #133

Supposedly their cops eat up 40% of the town budget. Defunding the police Hassler May 2022 #157

It took 3+ hours for police to enter the Pulse nightclub after the massacre. WarGamer May 2022 #159