Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)
 

DetlefK

(16,670 posts)
Sat May 28, 2022, 06:40 AM May 2022

2005 SCOTUS decision: Police have discretion, no obligation, over whether or not to stop a killer. [View all]

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-timeline-exposes-an-ugly-truth-the-police-have-no-legal-duty-to-protect-you/

It's safe to say that the widespread support for robust police funding is entirely due to the assumption that cops have a duty to rush in and protect people, especially children, in such situations.

...

On social media, people were understandably recommending that the parents sue the police for their failure to act swiftly. It seems like common sense: We hire police to protect us, and if they don't, we can sue them, right?

Well, one certainly can try to sue! But here's the sad, dark truth: Such a lawsuit is almost certainly doomed from the get-go. In 2005, the Supreme Court settled whether or not citizens are entitled to protection from violence from the police with a resounding "nope, see you later." This case also involves the murder of three small children, so readers be forewarned. In 1999, Colorado resident Jessica Lenahan (then Gonzales) obtained a restraining order against her ex-husband, Simon Gonzales, who was stalking her and her four children. A few days later, he showed up at her house and kidnapped her three daughters. She frantically called the police for hours, over and over, and they did nothing. It was only when Simon Gonzales showed up at the police station, gun in hand, that they reacted, by killing him. They found the three little girls murdered at their father's hand in the car.

Lenahan sued the police, arguing that by ignoring her pleas for help, they had violated her 14th amendment rights to equal protection. The case went all the way to the Supreme Court, where she lost in a 7-2 decision in 2005. The opinion's author, Antonin Scalia, argued that the police's right to discretion prevailed, and there is no "'entitlement' to receive protective services." That the cops were bad at their job didn't change the fact that the right to discretion over the right call lay with them, not Lenahan.

There is a "traditional belief that police are there to proactively prevent and deescalate dangerous situations," as Ramenda Cyrus wrote for the American Prospect just last month, but, in reality, "the cops do not have a duty to protect you, or anyone."

Since Scalia's 2005 Supreme Court decision, another case that reiterated this legal reality came to the public's attention, initially because of, believe it or not, the comedy website Cracked.com. In 2011, Joseph Lozito was on his way to work in New York City when he got attacked, right in front of two police officers, by a serial killer the cops were already on the lookout for. The killer, Maksim Gelman, had already murdered four people when he pulled out a knife on the train and just started stabbing Lozito at random. Lozito fought back, while the two police watched but did not intervene. Lozito, even though he had been stabbed in the head multiple times, managed to disarm Gelman. It was only then that the cops swooped in and arrested the killer. Lozito sued the police and lost, because, you guessed it, the cops had no "special duty" to act.


A restraining order violated and three girls kidnapped? It's at the cops' discretion whether or not to do something about it.

Being stabbed right in front of two cops? It's at the cops' discretion whether or not to do something about it.








The Simpsons did it!



22 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Well that will cause some self-arming citizens to take notice bucolic_frolic May 2022 #1
This policy is directly incompatible with "qualified immunity" Orrex May 2022 #2
this mopinko May 2022 #5
... Ferrets are Cool May 2022 #6
Law enforcement in this nation is a big mess. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #10
i ended up on the crazy lady list. mopinko May 2022 #20
Sounds horrific Marthe48 May 2022 #17
it was, but mopinko May 2022 #21
Good for you Marthe48 May 2022 #22
I'm surprised no one has challenged qualified immunity with this argument Novara May 2022 #12
This SCOTUS is no longer befitting of Article 3. ck4829 May 2022 #3
The Gonzales case was a 7-2 opinion. madaboutharry May 2022 #4
The police are there to protect property of the wealthy, sinkingfeeling May 2022 #9
Your headline is 100% correct. The Jungle 1 May 2022 #13
Remind me again why we are paying these useless bullies and murderers niyad May 2022 #7
If the police are not required to protect, we are not required to have police forces sanatanadharma May 2022 #8
This is an excellent observation. harumph May 2022 #16
And that's one reason we as a nation are armed to the teeth NickB79 May 2022 #11
What an absolutely ridiculous SCOTUS ruling. llmart May 2022 #14
"dark truth: Such a lawsuit is almost certainly doomed from the get-go." BumRushDaShow May 2022 #15
Their role is rooted in protecting capital, chasing people escaping slavery, and oppressing WhiskeyGrinder May 2022 #18
So police are just people in uniform Marthe48 May 2022 #19
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»2005 SCOTUS decision: Pol...