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Hiawatha Pete

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56. Switzerland is an excellent example of one way to do it right & probably what the founding fathers..
Sat May 28, 2022, 04:06 PM
May 2022

...had in mind when they wrote 'keep & bear arms' & 'well regulated militia' - the Swiss are allowed/expected to keep their fully functioning service weapons at home as part of their rifle club/militia/reservist program.

No reason (that I can see) that a qualified, vetted, law-abiding citizen shouldn't be able to own a gun - those who advocate for 'central storage' (ie only at an armory) have it wrong - 'keep & bear' means exactly that: 'keep & bear'.

The problem is when you ignore the 'well regulated' part.

Plus the Swiss also don't have to worry about going bankrupt from medical debt or going to college, having access to health & mental health care, not having a pension when they retire, or having 1/3 of their population not recognizing or wanting to overthrow their own govt.

And they have an infrastructure for keeping guns out of the hands of those who are violent, which is what the US would need to start doing in order to implement a similar system there.

I think a person who is not a danger to society should be able to buy a gun, even a semi auto, if they want but I don't see any justification for hi cap mags at all.

Just my 2 cents

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Florida hunting law limits it to 3. nt Phoenix61 May 2022 #1
Three rounds... five... Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #3
This very subject is being tried in California WarGamer May 2022 #4
My point was there is no legit legal reason in the states to Phoenix61 May 2022 #6
OK, thanks for clarifying, n/t Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #8
That is because in Florida we are more interested in protecting game than children. Chainfire May 2022 #5
I'm currently in Bali. Phoenix61 May 2022 #7
It all comes down to SCOTUS... AFAIK it's never been tested. WarGamer May 2022 #2
The constitution says nothing about ammo budkin May 2022 #9
The argument is that ammo is "arms" it is all up to the SC to decide. Chainfire May 2022 #11
Several court decisions have supported that 'arms' includes ammo Amishman May 2022 #30
Not sure the general public needs high or low capacity magazines. honest.abe May 2022 #10
They're Gonna Do Nothing SoCalDavidS May 2022 #12
Even strict constitutionalists can see the 2nd Amendment doesn't say anything about ammo. Beartracks May 2022 #13
There have been court cases that say ammo is covered by the 2A hack89 May 2022 #35
In this particular case ymetca May 2022 #14
Good point Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #16
Add to that a high tax rate mercuryblues May 2022 #15
Pretty certain they do MichMan May 2022 #17
And require ALL Gun Owners to purchase potentially expensive Liability Insurance just like on a car Tommymac May 2022 #38
bingo mercuryblues May 2022 #41
Why can't we ban guns? Generic Brad May 2022 #18
no chance of getting 3/4 of the states to go along with it moonshinegnomie May 2022 #21
If we want moderation, we start negotiating from an extreme position Generic Brad May 2022 #25
theres no point ot even wasting tim on it moonshinegnomie May 2022 #31
So continue with the same failed approach Generic Brad May 2022 #32
So how do you intend to negotiate strongly? Kaleva May 2022 #34
Threaten repeal of the second amendment Generic Brad May 2022 #40
Threaten repeal of the 2A? MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #43
Like we laughed at the idea of abolishing Roe vs Wade? Generic Brad May 2022 #49
I never said to give up, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #50
Should the party adopt that as the official platform for the midterms? MichMan May 2022 #51
We can change things in November 2022. GOTV Tommymac May 2022 #39
I don't know, it's your system, not mine. Or ... how's that going for you? Your pick. n/t Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #22
We could reinstate the 1994 ban with some improvements. gldstwmn May 2022 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #28
Like they did on tobacco, raise taxes sky high on guns and ammo! Emile May 2022 #19
ban the ammo moonshinegnomie May 2022 #20
A shotgun slug is low velocity too NickB79 May 2022 #24
no one is using shot slugs for mass shooting moonshinegnomie May 2022 #29
Mass shooters use what's available NickB79 May 2022 #33
Who cares? The filibuster is more important. aocommunalpunch May 2022 #26
Tax ammo and gun accessories at a very high rate! Worked on cigarettes. Emile May 2022 #27
Why weren't cigarettes just banned totally ? MichMan May 2022 #52
It was an addiction people needed to break. You Emile May 2022 #54
To hunt deer in my state, a 5 shot clip is all you are allowed. slater71 May 2022 #36
K and r. nt BlackSkimmer May 2022 #37
Single shot rifles, period unless you have an exempted JCMach1 May 2022 #42
So you would trust LE to have these weapons? MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #44
Define trust. I just acknowledge they still might need them with 300M JCMach1 May 2022 #45
Sorry, but I have a healthy distrust of cops, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #46
My only point is about actual need... Even in places like UK with strict laws JCMach1 May 2022 #47
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #48
Per my response to pecosbob below, no reason (that I can see) that a qualified, vetted, law-abiding Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #57
Really wish we still had the rec option for individual posts, MarineCombatEngineer May 2022 #59
Saying a certain type of gun... LiberatedUSA May 2022 #58
And highly regulate Ammo JCMach1 May 2022 #53
My take...banning the weapon, magazine or ammo is a lost cause, particularly with stacked courts pecosbob May 2022 #55
Switzerland is an excellent example of one way to do it right & probably what the founding fathers.. Hiawatha Pete May 2022 #56
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