Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)
 

Diablo del sol

(424 posts)
Mon May 30, 2022, 04:36 PM May 2022

California costs too much! Let's compare it to Texas [View all]

My youngest daughter has a burr up her butt to buy a place. Not the best time, trying to get her to hold off a bit as she is young, single, and may have other job opportunities that require a move. She is looking in North San Diego County, and things aren't cheap. The cost and her impatience are driving her to look elsewhere. One city she keeps exploring is Dallas. She found a house in Dallas, comparable to a town home in SD County she is interested in. 600k house in Dallas, comparable to 700k townhouse in CA.

Now she will need me to help with down payment along with mortgage, basically 50/50 partners, she also knows there is no way I will invest one damn cent in TX. So quickly compared the numbers for her. The Texas house is 100k cheaper, but yearly taxes are higher and utility bills will be higher. As the Orange turd and repubs put a cap on SALT deductions she would immediately hit the cap with mortgage/property taxes and likely have about 15k a year that is NOT deductible. (same in CA, but the number is a bit lower)

Utilities would be more in TX. In CA new builds require solar so she would have a 10k investment in solar upfront. (possible to roll it into mortgage) and have much lower utility payments per year. Guessing around 2k per year.

Then I hit her with a real life comparison, the cost/return on my house in SoCal compared the cost of our good friends house in Dallas suburbs. Both houses were bought in 1998. My house was 50 to 75k more. Housing size, mine a bit bigger, maybe 100 to 200 sq ft. Lot size, basically the same. With the extra cost of property tax and utilities, our good friends likely paid slightly more per year.

But here is the big difference. My house has appreciated over $1,000,000 more over the time frame as compared to our friends in TX. That is over 40k per year! Almost $3,500 per month of opportunity costs to have the privilege (misfortune) to live in Texas.

I am all good with people living where they want, my good friend became a RW tRump lover, started out middle of the road, but 35 years in Texas changed him. The point is, and the point I was making to my daughter, they paid (more correctly cost themselves) a whole lot of money by living in the "better run," "less expensive," Texas. Both descriptions are laughable.

Now to stop her from claiming things may change, I ended with this quote. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell” ― General Philip Henry Sheridan

That was a quote from the 1860's - nothing has changed. And the CA economy is going to implode B.S., been hearing it for almost 50 years. Over that time frame, the CA GDP continued to rise, rose to the point that currently we would be a G7 Country if we were a Country. Fifty years ago, I believe we would have just cracked the top 20.

Texas is the poster child for Low cost of entry (barriers to entry) Easy to get into, but the profit margins are low.

76 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Never heard that quote!!! It's so true!! Karadeniz May 2022 #1
Good points to compare. That too many ignore. LiberalFighter May 2022 #2
Taxes and utilities are higher in TX. BigmanPigman May 2022 #3
Texas is cheaper is a myth inthewind21 May 2022 #73
I had no idea it was that expensive. BigmanPigman May 2022 #76
also note property tax increases are limited in CA DBoon May 2022 #4
Yes, my property taxes increase every year to pay for Abbott luring companies from California. Lonestarblue May 2022 #22
I've lived in SoCal for 30+ years... WarGamer May 2022 #5
The two houses are located in Orange County and Dallas suburbs. Diablo del sol May 2022 #8
That gorgeous coastal SoCal weather - don't remind me! peppertree May 2022 #21
Where in Orange County? Bluesaph May 2022 #56
NB and HB are part of Orange County Diablo del sol May 2022 #58
That's a 5400.00 mortgage payment Buckeyeblue May 2022 #6
How'd you figure? Sympthsical May 2022 #12
My house is basically the same size as my friends in the Dallas area Diablo del sol May 2022 #13
We actually just refinanced a few months ago Sympthsical May 2022 #14
One of the things missed in evaluating CA is how many people like us that exist. Diablo del sol May 2022 #18
I was adding escrow for property taxes and insurance Buckeyeblue May 2022 #46
Also, California has run a surplus for the past two years. haele May 2022 #7
I actually like the hill country outside of San Antonio Diablo del sol May 2022 #10
I did too. But the commute to get to work or to specific destinations haele May 2022 #17
THIS Diablo del sol May 2022 #19
People profiting by double or triple what they paid for a home just by living in it MichMan May 2022 #9
taxes are paid at time of sale Diablo del sol May 2022 #11
I was thinking around 30% would be a starting point MichMan May 2022 #20
Or just tax it like any other income. quakerboy May 2022 #28
Selling your house isn't "income". You have to live SOMEWHERE & it costs money. oldsoftie May 2022 #31
Selling your house is capital gains. haele May 2022 #37
If you're married you're exempt up to 500k over what you paid, oldsoftie May 2022 #48
No there is not inthewind21 May 2022 #74
You know.. quakerboy May 2022 #54
If a corporation raised prices 400% over a decade because that is what the market will bear MichMan May 2022 #57
I definitely support a tax on HFT transactions. oldsoftie May 2022 #68
You aren't taxed on any gain from sale of your residence. oldsoftie May 2022 #30
I would LOVE to move to SD area. From the beautiful Sierra Foothills, no less. usonian May 2022 #15
A few things left out jimfields33 May 2022 #16
California may be expensive but I will never leave here YoshidaYui May 2022 #23
I have relatives who feel the same way. hunter May 2022 #55
My son's property tax in TX is 3x mine in Ga. The homes...... UGADawg May 2022 #24
I noticed that as well. Ilsa May 2022 #33
My brother just move from CA to TX Fiendish Thingy May 2022 #25
My friend, the rapid increase in property values will not continue on the same pace FakeNoose May 2022 #26
Agree - this last run up was out of control Diablo del sol May 2022 #32
She should consider whether she will need healthcare viva la May 2022 #27
One big difference; Texas doesnt have an income tax. oldsoftie May 2022 #29
But it does have higher property taxes. Diablo del sol May 2022 #35
Probably has higher sales tax too; to make up for it. oldsoftie May 2022 #49
And they will be inthewind21 May 2022 #75
+1, uponit7771 May 2022 #61
I drive through Texas twice a year.... Hulk May 2022 #34
Some of the towns north of Uvalde, in the Hill Country are nice too. Diablo del sol May 2022 #36
Spent a year at Ft. Hood Texas in 1970 Hulk May 2022 #40
I left Texas in 1992 UpInArms May 2022 #38
Not to mention the cost of therapy to live with Deplorables around. UTUSN May 2022 #39
Well, Sun Devil, seems like a lot of Texas bashing on here. I love Texas and txwhitedove May 2022 #41
Dallas is red? DFW May 2022 #45
Hi. No offense, but from what I've seen and read Dallas is more Republican txwhitedove May 2022 #47
That's Fort Worth, not Dallas. Fort Worth is bigger than Vegas and votes red because of no ... uponit7771 May 2022 #62
Ft. Worth is like the evil twin of Dallas. DFW May 2022 #67
lol uponit7771 May 2022 #71
I haven't been to Houston in 40 years DFW May 2022 #64
Good to know, thank you. txwhitedove May 2022 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author txwhitedove May 2022 #66
Better weather in So Cal and the Pacific Ocean as well. jalan48 May 2022 #42
Hmmm...interesting. Texasgal May 2022 #43
Sounds like she's just using the idea of TX madville May 2022 #44
CA is, on balance, a vastly better State. TX, as a whole, is a christofash Red-run dystopian entity. Celerity May 2022 #50
Texas has been a pox on this country edhopper May 2022 #51
Also too, I feel much more comfortable living in a state with a modern power grid. Initech May 2022 #52
Don't forget the cost of homeowners insurance. Xolodno May 2022 #53
You can't count on having electricity in Texas and it might cost a fortune. Patterson May 2022 #59
yeah but Skittles May 2022 #60
i guess i lead a sheltered life orleans May 2022 #63
Thank you! AntivaxHunters May 2022 #69
I have relatives who live in CA and are considering moving to TX CousinIT May 2022 #70
Taxes, definitely higher... Utilities, depends. I live in a CoOp area JCMach1 May 2022 #72
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»California costs too much...