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Kaleva

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43. My proposal covers a range.
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 08:38 PM
Jun 2022

If the new caliber falls within that range, then the gun chambered to fire it would be classified as an assault weapon.

"One is often asked to define "assault weapon". Here's my definition.
Last edited Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:09 PM - Edit history (2)

Any semi-automatic weapon that fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim centerfire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a metal based case length of less then 50.8mm or caseless ammunition of any dimension or any rimless, semi-rimmedd or rebated Polymer-cased centerfire cartridge of any dimension.

The appearance of the gun has nothing to do with the above definition. The gun could look like a hunting rifle or it could look like something out of a Hollywood war movie. The gun could have a bayonet lug, grenade launcher, flash suppressor, pistol grip or folding stock and it might not be an assault weapon as defined by above. Or it could. It all depends on the action of the gun and the cartridge it fires.

Such a definition keeps things simple. All one has to do is first determine if the gun is a semi-automatic, see if the cartridge it is loaded with is a centerfire round and then measure the cartridge. No fuss. No muss.

If one has an issue with including semi-automatic handguns in the above, then one could refine it further by saying an assault weapon is a semi-automatic firearm that has a barrel length of 16" or longer and fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim centerfire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a case length of less then 50.8mm.

A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine.

A centerfire cartridge is a cartridge with a primer located in the center of the cartridge case head.

"The rimmed cartridge is the oldest of the types and has a rim that is significantly larger in diameter than the base of the cartridge. "

"On a rimless case, the rim is the same diameter as the base of the case; it is known as an extractor groove."

"On a semi-rimmed case the rim projects slightly beyond the base of the case, though not as much as a rimmed cartridge."

"Rebated rim cartridges have a rim that is significantly smaller in diameter than the base of the case, serving only for extraction."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim_%28firearms%29

Rimmed cartridges do not have an extractor groove.

According to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), a cartridge is "a single round of ammunition consisting of the case, primer and propellant with or without one or more projectiles." Only the projectile portion is the bullet.

The case length of a 7.62x39mm cartridge is about 38.7mm



Polymer-cased ammunition (or PCA) is the concept applied to define the alternative to use polymer-based casings instead of metal-based (brass, aluminium or steel mainly) in the manufacturing of ammunition.

Caseless ammunition is a type of small arms ammunition that eliminates the cartridge case that typically holds the primer, propellant, and projectile together as a unit."



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Yes. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #1
The Mini-14? PTWB Jun 2022 #2
An AR15 with a different grip? SYFROYH Jun 2022 #4
Maybe Timewas Jun 2022 #9
Which function Zeitghost Jun 2022 #16
How does a semi automatic shotgun function differently then a AR-10? Kaleva Jun 2022 #22
It would probably come down to the profit margins. bluedigger Jun 2022 #3
The AR15 has the "distinction" of being the most popular weapon of that general type. Sandy Becker Jun 2022 #5
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... bluesbassman Jun 2022 #6
Semiauto shotguns are rarely used by mass shooters Kaleva Jun 2022 #21
What's interesting is that the military is replacing the M-16/M-4 with an AR-10 variant NickB79 Jun 2022 #7
Distinction without much difference slightlv Jun 2022 #8
Yes. kacekwl Jun 2022 #10
can it be used to hunt racoons in the chicken hut and kids in a school? yes it can nt msongs Jun 2022 #11
Maybe because thousands of AR-10' were made but millions or AR 15's were bottomofthehill Jun 2022 #12
One can buy an AR 10 as easily as one can buy an AR15 Kaleva Jun 2022 #27
What about banning based on the type of bullet it is designed to use? Lithos Jun 2022 #13
Then you have to be prepared to ban hunting rifles Zeitghost Jun 2022 #15
Which leaves us with the absurdity of the AWB Recursion Jun 2022 #17
See the California AWB Zeitghost Jun 2022 #18
In all seriousness, why not NFA *all* firearms with "detachable ammunition feeding devices"? sir pball Jun 2022 #29
I proposed a way to identify an assault weapon by the cartridge it fired Kaleva Jun 2022 #24
So they would just start selling more Joenobody Jun 2022 #32
Guns that fire those calibers aren't used often, hardly at all, by mass shooters Kaleva Jun 2022 #42
Ban certain calibers Zeitghost Jun 2022 #38
My proposal covers a range. Kaleva Jun 2022 #43
It's becoming a generic term like Xerox or Kleenex. That's all. hunter Jun 2022 #14
I received training with the M-14 in the army. I fired expert, but only by 2 targets over the 2 days asa4ever Jun 2022 #19
My first tour in Vietnam, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2022 #28
Just wait until the Army's new service rifle becomes the most popular gun in America pecosbob Jun 2022 #20
Perhaps the kinetic energy of the round might be the benchmark crickets Jun 2022 #30
That would ban just about every hunting round Zeitghost Jun 2022 #39
When the people rownesheck Jun 2022 #23
I have a revolver but it's not to protect property. Kaleva Jun 2022 #26
Better safe than being sorry about dead children ban all gunz. 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #25
Reading new threads and still no one has an issue with AR-10s Kaleva Jun 2022 #31
What the fuck is this shit? SoonerPride Jun 2022 #34
Threads and posts specifically mention the AR-15 Kaleva Jun 2022 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author BusterMove Jun 2022 #33
They aren't the preferred choice for home defense either. Kaleva Jun 2022 #37
AR10 guys are really weird. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #36
Not as weird Zeitghost Jun 2022 #40
True that. Yellow-tinted shades clique. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #41
Ahem Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #44
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