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TrogL

(32,828 posts) Sat Jun 4, 2022, 12:11 AM Jun 2022

Why is the firearms issue being treated as a zero sum game? [View all]

Hi. I'm TrogL and I'm an alcoholic. I attend AA meetings. I chair AA meetings. I am not a spokesperson for AA.

I have read and heard considerable criticism of AA. I do not want to discuss that here. Most of it consists of "AA does not have 100% success rate therefore it's useless". I know we don't have anywhere's near that kind of success. I've watched people come and go. Hell, it's right in "How it works" that's read at every meeting. I'm satisfied with whomever manages to get any sort of sobriety.

So why does gun control, psychological testing, school security etc. have to be a zero sum game? If one of them or a combination reduces gun violence why not attempt it?

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Why is the firearms issue being treated as a zero sum game? [View all] TrogL Jun 2022 OP

Have you ever tried arguing with 2A absolutionists? It's like talking to a brick wall. Initech Jun 2022 #1

The same could be said of gun-ban absolutists. Straw Man Jun 2022 #9

Oh ffs. MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #12

5 North Shore Chicago Jun 2022 #13

While I'm sure that opinion makes you feel righteous, it achieves nothing. NutmegYankee Jun 2022 #16

Why would I want to address the fears and concerns of terrorists? MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #17

Have you considered that they feel the same about you? NutmegYankee Jun 2022 #18

I know how they feel about me and I don't care. MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #20

I agree with you- they want military weapons Tumbulu Jun 2022 #25

Who are "they"? Straw Man Jun 2022 #27

Yeah well how the fuck is the current status quo working out for you? MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #32

Your rhetoric does nothing but perpetuate the status quo. Straw Man Jun 2022 #33

Learn the difference between radicalism and extremism. MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #35

For all practical purposes, they are the same thing. Straw Man Jun 2022 #38

Extremism is demanding the right to buy military weapons Tumbulu Jun 2022 #40

That's an example, not a definition. Straw Man Jun 2022 #42

The current status quo supports the gun owners... brooklynite Jun 2022 #37

Well, maybe you should re read my post. Tumbulu Jun 2022 #39

I did. You're still wrong. Straw Man Jun 2022 #41

You appear to be unnecessarily confrontational, so please take a step back Tumbulu Jun 2022 #44

Let me remind you that you said this: Straw Man Jun 2022 #45

We wish to confront the extremists, you seem to want to confront us. MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #47

Again I ask: Who are the extremists? Straw Man Jun 2022 #53

So, those standing there, threatening us all Tumbulu Jun 2022 #49

Your brush is extremely broad. Straw Man Jun 2022 #52

Gun fetishes are disgusting. hunter Jun 2022 #19

Preach. You are not alone. crickets Jun 2022 #22

Excellent! Agree 1000x's!!!!!! Tumbulu Jun 2022 #26

Pardon me, but ... Straw Man Jun 2022 #28

My "classism?" What is that? hunter Jun 2022 #30

Here it is. Straw Man Jun 2022 #34

Must be why my wife and I have always lived and worked in rough U.S.A.... hunter Jun 2022 #36

Its interesting that you bring up a zero sum game. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #2

Typically, a gun safety argument will work. Heller actually allows for safety based regulations. haele Jun 2022 #5

I have a suggestion for avoiding the zero-sum trap. Straw Man Jun 2022 #8

There are 2 acquaintances of mine, men like me, BootinUp Jun 2022 #3

This will be fun Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #4

We are giving them the benefit of the doubt, which is... TreasonousBastard Jun 2022 #6

Interesting comparison. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2022 #7

Exactly! Compromise isn't a dirty word! forthemiddle Jun 2022 #10

You have to start kacekwl Jun 2022 #15

Your math is flawed. Straw Man Jun 2022 #43

Give away 95% to the terrorists. MrsCoffee Jun 2022 #48

Apparently you would rather have nothing than 5% of something. Straw Man Jun 2022 #54

I'm also in recovery ... Novara Jun 2022 #11

The gun cult believes that chipping away at their ability to have GoCubsGo Jun 2022 #14

I will say this DonCoquixote Jun 2022 #21

So, get your answer? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #23

Yeah, it's a multi variant problem TrogL Jun 2022 #24

If that's what you took from this Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #29

Certainly living up to your sig line kcr Jun 2022 #51

It's a bad faith attempt to silence the debate, and is the same as saying, "There's nothing we can Oneironaut Jun 2022 #31

Thanks for your perspective Dorian Gray Jun 2022 #46

Case in point iemanja Jun 2022 #50