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Hugin

(38,099 posts)
13. I lean toward agreement with you.
Sat Jun 4, 2022, 09:42 AM
Jun 2022

Have you ever seen the 1987 movie, “Empire of the Sun”?

In it there’s a character Basie. Basie is a hustler who has survived by recognizing periods of transition and transformation. He takes advantage of the ensuing chaos to opportunistically loot and pillage. He also recognizes such periods are temporary and are followed by some form of governance during which he has to conform or hide for a period of time to survive. He implies there is no guarantee the governance will be more civilized than the one preceding it. In fact it’s usually worse. His goal at the end of the movie is to steal enough to be at the top of the hierarchy in the next period of governance.

I realize this is fiction. However, it was based on the semi autobiographical writing of J G Ballard and there are some profound truths in it.

It seems to me we’re awash with Basies right now who firmly believe that if they can steal enough they will be making the rules. It is possible that the worst of them might. But, what usually happens is that those who have the most when the strife begins end up with more when it ends and remain making the rules. Historically anyway.

The only way something better emerges is if those who have empathy, fairness, and compromise prevail in forming what comes next.

Who are these people right now? Who has a plan?

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Or maybe lack of proper gun regulation. Woodswalker Jun 2022 #1
charts oioioi Jun 2022 #2
+1 dalton99a Jun 2022 #14
... greenjar_01 Jun 2022 #3
That's heavy duty montanacowboy Jun 2022 #4
Things have causes. usonian Jun 2022 #5
I'm afraid I am forced to have come to the same conclusion as the OP.. hedda_foil Jun 2022 #6
People are at their breaking point over the economy, inflation and gas prices Calculating Jun 2022 #7
Were any of the recent mass murderers driven by economic anxiety? Mister Ed Jun 2022 #8
I sort of agree with the posters point though CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #19
it's about a lot more than money. mopinko Jun 2022 #10
Agreed CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #20
Actually, well over 70% say they're doing okay-to-fine economically. Hortensis Jun 2022 #12
+1 Hugin Jun 2022 #15
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #23
I would expect more of this around the world as the climate continues to go haywire anarch Jun 2022 #9
Yes. Climate-fueled anxiety is now a huge factor and will grow, Hortensis Jun 2022 #24
that's an interesting point of view anarch Jun 2022 #25
Fossil fuel begot capitalist profit - and remains at its foundation oioioi Jun 2022 #27
and fossil fuel magnates pretty much call the shots, so to speak anarch Jun 2022 #29
Yes - and soon enough we will see the political consequences oioioi Jun 2022 #30
Lots of bits of truth, yet left entirely out of the picture are Hortensis Jun 2022 #33
I'm still not following your argument here that capitalism is necessary or irreplacable anarch Jun 2022 #34
Thanks for the thoughtful discussion - some remaining observations... oioioi Jun 2022 #36
Or it is a sign of a major transition and transformation Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #11
I lean toward agreement with you. Hugin Jun 2022 #13
Jesus. It sounds prescient. Definitely will read or watch that one. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #16
In spite of my personal moratorium on speculative dystopian media... Hugin Jun 2022 #18
I disagree with Umair planetc Jun 2022 #17
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #22
Of course. And each mass shooting ecstatic Jun 2022 #21
Nope. It's a sign of nonexistent regulation. Regulative systems are viable. So "collapse" is lingo. ancianita Jun 2022 #26
That's very dramatic, but extremely easy access to guns is the problem. betsuni Jun 2022 #28
All because of the lackadaisical approach to assault weapons and the 2nd Amendment. kentuck Jun 2022 #31
It's a sign hot blooded males that used to go to die in cannon fodder wars are now suicide by cop Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2022 #32
No. Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #35
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