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26. Where is the clause against mandating

Reply to PTWB (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 5, 2022, 09:53 AM

Jun 2022

Liability insurance? Is it before or after the missing comma?

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A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15's with a 1,000% tax -- and [View all] In It to Win It Jun 2022 OP

Do it!!! Walleye Jun 2022 #1

Absolutely. lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #2

Yes, we're always told money brings stability and wisdom bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #3

put the tax on ar-15 ammo too. moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #4

Good ideas-- too many AR-15s are already bought viva la Jun 2022 #5

Excellent idea pandr32 Jun 2022 #76

What is ar-15 ammo? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #6

Bullets. n/t intheflow Jun 2022 #8

So... every bullet? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #10

Bullets aren't sold individually. intheflow Jun 2022 #12

Depends, but ok Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #17

Can a bullet in any chamber kill someone? intheflow Jun 2022 #20

Thank you Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #40

it can be tailored to the muzzle velocity of the round moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #19

5.56mm fires at the same muzzle velocity as most deer rifles NickB79 Jun 2022 #22

That's a very interesting idea... CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #50

Might have to recalibrate with handgun ammo NickB79 Jun 2022 #61

I'd also give a big reduction Sgent Jun 2022 #168

Limiting rate of fire is also an interesting idea. CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #172

I don't think an "energy tax " will work. James48 Jun 2022 #85

Getting guncels to destroy their own guns is counter-productive? Lancero Jun 2022 #148

if you saw off the barrel of a rifle there a good chance you commit a federal crime moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #174

Kinda gaslighting us The Bopper Jun 2022 #56

So, a .223 is to be taxed Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #81

so tax ALL rifle ammo that has an enertgy over x amount moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #175

This is their game iemanja Jun 2022 #106

When trying to pass useful laws it helps to know the subject matter. EX500rider Jun 2022 #147

Like the body armor ban in NY DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #150

Like the California compliant sub 2000 Jake97 Jun 2022 #159

So your issue is with the cartridge and not the gun itself Kaleva Jun 2022 #166

Pretty sure AR-15s don't use 10 gauge... n/t whopis01 Jun 2022 #67

Friend of mine has one chambered in 12 gauge KS Toronado Jun 2022 #79

I don't know that Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #86

Not on the ammo xmas74 Jun 2022 #7

Bingo! paleotn Jun 2022 #32

3D printer go Brrrrrrrrrrr Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #99

Include if caught with ammo without a serial number on the magazine xmas74 Jun 2022 #103

Maybe we can give the police blanket authority to stop and frisk people MichMan Jun 2022 #105

Maybe more like xmas74 Jun 2022 #127

In Lansing and some others, police are prohibited from stopping people for non moving violations MichMan Jun 2022 #132

Magazines would have to be serialized now? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #120

Why shouldn't they be serialized? xmas74 Jun 2022 #126

What is to be done with the already existing ones? DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jun 2022 #163

There are about 50 different calibers AR's are chambered in NickB79 Jun 2022 #15

AR-15 style guns can be chambered to fire anything from .22 LRs to shotgun shells. Kaleva Jun 2022 #164

While I can back this sentiment, I can see the ads now... Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #9

Democratic leadership often thinks this way. It has to stop. Blecht Jun 2022 #30

Absolutely Novara Jun 2022 #38

Might as well just make banning of all guns an official party policy MichMan Jun 2022 #39

You say this as if Republicans are not already doing this Blecht Jun 2022 #47

Just saying if the intent is to make Republicans squirm, just go all the way MichMan Jun 2022 #48

Symbolism is good! Blecht Jun 2022 #55

How about we just run on a message of trying to stop the murder of children? gldstwmn Jun 2022 #113

Countered by ads.... paleotn Jun 2022 #36

If they were smart.... Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #88

This label of the Democrats as "elites" is the biggest crock of BS Sogo Jun 2022 #96

Then, the ads won't work, huh? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #101

"WE'RE not the ones with multi-billionaire donors..." Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #141

And we can say "We are passing measures to keep your kids alive in school, Sogo Jun 2022 #91

It's Unconstitutional Abnredleg Jun 2022 #11

You are correct on this Takket Jun 2022 #13

I don't think it is unconstitutional Buckeyeblue Jun 2022 #42

Liquor,cigarettes and hotels are not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights either MichMan Jun 2022 #52

The Constitution says nothing about SPECIFIC guns. Novara Jun 2022 #45

And the Constitution says nothing about SPECIFIC types of speech Abnredleg Jun 2022 #71

Meaningless symbolism.... brooklynite Jun 2022 #14

Wrong way to go. 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #16

Actually ... PTWB Jun 2022 #24

Where is the clause against mandating 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #26

Did I say anything about liability insurance? PTWB Jun 2022 #29

It is a violation of the First Amendment ripcord Jun 2022 #31

That type of liability insurance would be very cheap. MichMan Jun 2022 #25

They don't do that in NC dsc Jun 2022 #78

Liability insurance doesn't pay for criminal acts NickB79 Jun 2022 #33

People here will just say make the payouts part of the same law MichMan Jun 2022 #41

actually it does in some cases dsc Jun 2022 #80

ANY legislation will be argued as restricting gunz. paleotn Jun 2022 #43

So what? Isn't that the fucking point? Novara Jun 2022 #46

Yes. My point is, the gun humpers will whine, throw fits... paleotn Jun 2022 #66

I completely agree Novara Jun 2022 #104

Thank you. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #115

No insurance company is going to issue policies that cover illegal acts. nt EX500rider Jun 2022 #49

It is about insuring individuals for damages caused by guns (including unintentional damages). waterwatcher123 Jun 2022 #98

Bingo now you get it. 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #118

I agree that the insurance angle is a much better way to go. Raising taxes can be used against us Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #69

Tax the guns, the ammo and the components that make them. C_U_L8R Jun 2022 #18

I want all semi-automatic rifles banned, not just military style weapons, we don't need them. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #21

What about semi automatic handguns? MichMan Jun 2022 #27

Absolutely. paleotn Jun 2022 #65

If only NickB79 Jun 2022 #68

Yep. They're poised to go all "wild west".... paleotn Jun 2022 #72

Bad news NickB79 Jun 2022 #34

As for handguns, Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #51

So when a bank robber is firing a long gun at officers you want them to fire bean bags back? EX500rider Jun 2022 #110

So... you're pro street justice. Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #117

Haven't ruined my day EX500rider Jun 2022 #119

FYI, a double action revolver fires each time the trigger is pulled. n/t yagotme Jun 2022 #138

Because you don't go up against someone with a real gun with just a beanbag shotgun or 40-mike-mike. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Jun 2022 #23

Chris Rock is for bullet control IronLionZion Jun 2022 #28

Classic! In It to Win It Jun 2022 #35

I certainly hope this passes. 1000% tax would keep most from buying these killing machines. Stuart G Jun 2022 #37

ssdd RaDaR63 Jun 2022 #44

I can't believe a sitting lawmaker would suggest something already determined to the unconstitional ripcord Jun 2022 #53

The Constitution prohibits laws that prevent people to have guns so this will be unlikely to cstanleytech Jun 2022 #54

Any bill that says anything can be introduced at any time. LiberatedUSA Jun 2022 #57

What about a reasonable user tax for victims funds? Captain Zero Jun 2022 #94

Sure. LiberatedUSA Jun 2022 #97

Good. Snackshack Jun 2022 #58

Would this Rebl2 Jun 2022 #59

Not a chance DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #60

Correct Rebl2 Jun 2022 #63

I doubt this could even pass the House. In It to Win It Jun 2022 #62

True Rebl2 Jun 2022 #64

Arm the rich!!! johnp3907 Jun 2022 #70

What about declaring some guns as being military grade.... RicROC Jun 2022 #73

The SC has held that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right Abnredleg Jun 2022 #74

Ive been wondering that Locrian Jun 2022 #75

Militia has been defined in Title 10 of the U.S. Code, Section 311 EX500rider Jun 2022 #111

No, don't tax firearms Pyryck Jun 2022 #77

The constitution says nothing about the number of guns you can own. 3825-87867 Jun 2022 #82

What problem does that solve? Zeitghost Jun 2022 #144

$20,000 is a bargain Turbineguy Jun 2022 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Jun 2022 #84

Problem is, there are way too many already out there FakeNoose Jun 2022 #87

They should hire 10X more agents..... Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #102

Okay, so I make a new rifle, the BS-16 krispos42 Jun 2022 #89

Ah, I came here to say this (nt) Recursion Jun 2022 #93

It's clever but they'll just release the "BS-16" next week to avoid it (nt) Recursion Jun 2022 #90

Dance around it as much as they can packman Jun 2022 #92

SCOTUS has already ruled on this ripcord Jun 2022 #95

What SCOTUS ruling is that iemanja Jun 2022 #107

Punative taxes aren't allowed as a way to suppress an individuals rights. ripcord Jun 2022 #108

Poll taxes iemanja Jun 2022 #109

I think you mean "guns are not a right in my mind" EX500rider Jun 2022 #114

Yes, I realize this is a country built on violence iemanja Jun 2022 #122

Poll taxes EX500rider Jun 2022 #116

Poll taxes are not ammunition iemanja Jun 2022 #121

And the Court ruling should be obvious EX500rider Jun 2022 #124

There are already taxes on guns iemanja Jun 2022 #129

Sure EX500rider Jun 2022 #133

So why do you feel the need iemanja Jun 2022 #136

It is a discussion board, I am pointing things that are impossible.. EX500rider Jun 2022 #146

Yet you only seem to discuss iemanja Jun 2022 #152

I suppose if you only look at my last 20 or so posts but I discuss all types of things. EX500rider Jun 2022 #156

I see iemanja Jun 2022 #157

Oh no!!! lol whatever, you might want a hobby. EX500rider Jun 2022 #160

What kind of gun control legislation Hav Jun 2022 #165

Well EX500rider Jun 2022 #169

And I think for real results EX500rider Jun 2022 #171

Coincidentally, Rep. Beyer announced he wont be running for re-election. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #100

The vast majority of citizens iemanja Jun 2022 #123

I'll wait for the survey data on 1000% increase in cost. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #145

What gun owners ever vote for Democrats? Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #135

Gun owners will iemanja Jun 2022 #137

Do you believe sarisataka Jun 2022 #140

Ahem. Im a gun owner. AR15, AR10, and a few others on the AWB list SYFROYH Jun 2022 #143

"What gun owners ever vote for Democrats?" EX500rider Jun 2022 #149

But none of them iemanja Jun 2022 #153

Pointing out what won't work or is unConstitutional is far from opposing EX500rider Jun 2022 #161

Nice try. iemanja Jun 2022 #162

Interesting, I was thinking about this today..... Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #182

Do it. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #112

Secret Trump fans not liking this one. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #125

Secret Trump fans not thinking for a minute about this one... brooklynite Jun 2022 #128

Disagree iemanja Jun 2022 #131

I think that secret Trump fans (do they exist?) would love Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #134

Yep iemanja Jun 2022 #130

I don't think they give a shit because this has no chance of passing. Kaleva Jun 2022 #167

So only the rich can have guns... Zeitghost Jun 2022 #139

Not guns iemanja Jun 2022 #155

I believe making anything prohibitively expensive through taxation Zeitghost Jun 2022 #158

why not 10,000% WarGamer Jun 2022 #154

Smart move. roamer65 Jun 2022 #170

After reading this thread I'm going to go out on a limb & say... CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #173

i like the idea moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #176

Rate of Fire Zeitghost Jun 2022 #177

An auto has a higher rate then a semi-auto which has a higher rate then a bolt action.... Kaleva Jun 2022 #178

All else being equal, that mostly holds true Zeitghost Jun 2022 #180

They do have an effect on the effective rate of fire over a period of time Kaleva Jun 2022 #181

What if the legislation said "X gun cannot fire more than 1 round per second under any conditions" CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #183

IMO Zeitghost Jun 2022 #184

I think your idea has merit and is well worth discussing. Kaleva Jun 2022 #179

Good idea. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2022 #185