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Hortensis

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33. Lots of bits of truth, yet left entirely out of the picture are
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jun 2022

the huge reasons capitalism became intrinsic to the vast growth of planetary wealth and wellbeing that is the only thing most of us have ever known. And apparently can't imagine being without.

VASTLY UN/UNDER-REGULATED, UNCONTROLLED capitalism is indisputably part of the huge problems we've brought ourselves to. However, it is NOT going to collapse and come to an end of itself, leading naturally to something better. That's wishful thinking, but serious, very knowledgeable people are studying what will work.

A first consideration is energy production. The 7.8 BILLION people on earth need current levels of energy maintained to avoid massive die-off, under ANY economic system. Capitalism, like any alternative imagined, needs adequate sustainable energy. Capitalism does not require fossil fuel energy. Replacement with sustainable energy from various sources is the future we already see because we must go there. Under ANY economic system.

As for the economic system, if there was something to replace capitalism that could enable a relatively quick and untraumatic transition for the support of 7.8 BILLION people, we would be seeing it happen in various nations. (Advanced European nations all have capitalist economies; it's not happening there.)

Again, remember, that our current populations and levels of wellbeing were made possible BY the engine of capitalism and energy development. Can't be eliminated without replacement in place.

The "collapse" being imagined could lead to by far the largest human disaster in the history of our planet.

Sustained failures of economic systems that currently support those over 7.8 BILLION people, assisted by huge problems like global warming, could lead to the deaths of billions, not just hundreds of millions. Those could also foreseeably include people blessed by being born into advanced nations; our privileged lives are interdependent with the rest of humanity. Infant formula isn't the only thing that can suddenly disappear from the shelves of markets across the U.S. Everything in supermarkets, big box stores and pharmacies can. And food's not like gravity -- it can disappear quickly -- and it can stay gone.

Gotta first protect what we have in order to survive. And we have to plan for everyone to survive, not just assume our privileged location will protect us and stop thinking with that.

(But, btw, GOT WATER?)

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Or maybe lack of proper gun regulation. Woodswalker Jun 2022 #1
charts oioioi Jun 2022 #2
+1 dalton99a Jun 2022 #14
... greenjar_01 Jun 2022 #3
That's heavy duty montanacowboy Jun 2022 #4
Things have causes. usonian Jun 2022 #5
I'm afraid I am forced to have come to the same conclusion as the OP.. hedda_foil Jun 2022 #6
People are at their breaking point over the economy, inflation and gas prices Calculating Jun 2022 #7
Were any of the recent mass murderers driven by economic anxiety? Mister Ed Jun 2022 #8
I sort of agree with the posters point though CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #19
it's about a lot more than money. mopinko Jun 2022 #10
Agreed CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #20
Actually, well over 70% say they're doing okay-to-fine economically. Hortensis Jun 2022 #12
+1 Hugin Jun 2022 #15
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #23
I would expect more of this around the world as the climate continues to go haywire anarch Jun 2022 #9
Yes. Climate-fueled anxiety is now a huge factor and will grow, Hortensis Jun 2022 #24
that's an interesting point of view anarch Jun 2022 #25
Fossil fuel begot capitalist profit - and remains at its foundation oioioi Jun 2022 #27
and fossil fuel magnates pretty much call the shots, so to speak anarch Jun 2022 #29
Yes - and soon enough we will see the political consequences oioioi Jun 2022 #30
Lots of bits of truth, yet left entirely out of the picture are Hortensis Jun 2022 #33
I'm still not following your argument here that capitalism is necessary or irreplacable anarch Jun 2022 #34
Thanks for the thoughtful discussion - some remaining observations... oioioi Jun 2022 #36
Or it is a sign of a major transition and transformation Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #11
I lean toward agreement with you. Hugin Jun 2022 #13
Jesus. It sounds prescient. Definitely will read or watch that one. Baitball Blogger Jun 2022 #16
In spite of my personal moratorium on speculative dystopian media... Hugin Jun 2022 #18
I disagree with Umair planetc Jun 2022 #17
+1 betsuni Jun 2022 #22
Of course. And each mass shooting ecstatic Jun 2022 #21
Nope. It's a sign of nonexistent regulation. Regulative systems are viable. So "collapse" is lingo. ancianita Jun 2022 #26
That's very dramatic, but extremely easy access to guns is the problem. betsuni Jun 2022 #28
All because of the lackadaisical approach to assault weapons and the 2nd Amendment. kentuck Jun 2022 #31
It's a sign hot blooded males that used to go to die in cannon fodder wars are now suicide by cop Shanti Shanti Shanti Jun 2022 #32
No. Elessar Zappa Jun 2022 #35
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