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Fla_Democrat

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81. So, a .223 is to be taxed
Sun Jun 5, 2022, 11:08 AM
Jun 2022

But a .300 AAC isn't.



Even though it is just a necked down .223. They use the same lower, same BCG, same magazine, just a different barrel (maybe a different gas block, I haven't built a .300 upper). The 7.62 X 39 (AK, SKS, AR) would be taxed, but not the 7.62 X 35mm (300 Blackout)

9 mm (the lung blower) should be taxed, but not 10 mm. Both of which are easily found in AR platforms, so could be covered under the "put the tax on ar-15 ammo too" umbrella. Although, the AR's in 9mm are not typically called -15's, but the ones in .22 lr are called 15-22's.

For the record, my all caliber was in response to an answer of " Bullets. n/t". Which I believe was confirmed by the reply of " Can a bullet in any chamber kill someone? Then, yes.". It wasn't "gaslighting", it was a RFI to a specific post.

As for no legitimate purpose for a .50 BMG, I don't know. I live in Florida (see the name), where deer (males) here weigh am average of 115lb. But I know that other game, in other states tend to be much larger, and have larger open spaces to hunt in. If I was going to research it, I certainly wouldn't think of using DU as a source.




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Do it!!! Walleye Jun 2022 #1
Absolutely. lindysalsagal Jun 2022 #2
Yes, we're always told money brings stability and wisdom bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #3
put the tax on ar-15 ammo too. moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #4
Good ideas-- too many AR-15s are already bought viva la Jun 2022 #5
Excellent idea pandr32 Jun 2022 #76
What is ar-15 ammo? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #6
Bullets. n/t intheflow Jun 2022 #8
So... every bullet? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #10
Bullets aren't sold individually. intheflow Jun 2022 #12
Depends, but ok Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #17
Can a bullet in any chamber kill someone? intheflow Jun 2022 #20
Thank you Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #40
it can be tailored to the muzzle velocity of the round moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #19
5.56mm fires at the same muzzle velocity as most deer rifles NickB79 Jun 2022 #22
That's a very interesting idea... CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #50
Might have to recalibrate with handgun ammo NickB79 Jun 2022 #61
I'd also give a big reduction Sgent Jun 2022 #168
Limiting rate of fire is also an interesting idea. CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #172
I don't think an "energy tax " will work. James48 Jun 2022 #85
Getting guncels to destroy their own guns is counter-productive? Lancero Jun 2022 #148
if you saw off the barrel of a rifle there a good chance you commit a federal crime moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #174
Kinda gaslighting us The Bopper Jun 2022 #56
So, a .223 is to be taxed Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #81
so tax ALL rifle ammo that has an enertgy over x amount moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #175
This is their game iemanja Jun 2022 #106
When trying to pass useful laws it helps to know the subject matter. EX500rider Jun 2022 #147
Like the body armor ban in NY DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #150
Like the California compliant sub 2000 Jake97 Jun 2022 #159
So your issue is with the cartridge and not the gun itself Kaleva Jun 2022 #166
Pretty sure AR-15s don't use 10 gauge... n/t whopis01 Jun 2022 #67
Friend of mine has one chambered in 12 gauge KS Toronado Jun 2022 #79
I don't know that Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #86
Not on the ammo xmas74 Jun 2022 #7
Bingo! paleotn Jun 2022 #32
3D printer go Brrrrrrrrrrr Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #99
Include if caught with ammo without a serial number on the magazine xmas74 Jun 2022 #103
Maybe we can give the police blanket authority to stop and frisk people MichMan Jun 2022 #105
Maybe more like xmas74 Jun 2022 #127
In Lansing and some others, police are prohibited from stopping people for non moving violations MichMan Jun 2022 #132
Magazines would have to be serialized now? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #120
Why shouldn't they be serialized? xmas74 Jun 2022 #126
What is to be done with the already existing ones? DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Jun 2022 #163
There are about 50 different calibers AR's are chambered in NickB79 Jun 2022 #15
AR-15 style guns can be chambered to fire anything from .22 LRs to shotgun shells. Kaleva Jun 2022 #164
While I can back this sentiment, I can see the ads now... Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #9
Democratic leadership often thinks this way. It has to stop. Blecht Jun 2022 #30
Absolutely Novara Jun 2022 #38
Might as well just make banning of all guns an official party policy MichMan Jun 2022 #39
You say this as if Republicans are not already doing this Blecht Jun 2022 #47
Just saying if the intent is to make Republicans squirm, just go all the way MichMan Jun 2022 #48
Symbolism is good! Blecht Jun 2022 #55
How about we just run on a message of trying to stop the murder of children? gldstwmn Jun 2022 #113
Countered by ads.... paleotn Jun 2022 #36
If they were smart.... Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #88
This label of the Democrats as "elites" is the biggest crock of BS Sogo Jun 2022 #96
Then, the ads won't work, huh? Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #101
"WE'RE not the ones with multi-billionaire donors..." Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #141
And we can say "We are passing measures to keep your kids alive in school, Sogo Jun 2022 #91
It's Unconstitutional Abnredleg Jun 2022 #11
You are correct on this Takket Jun 2022 #13
I don't think it is unconstitutional Buckeyeblue Jun 2022 #42
Liquor,cigarettes and hotels are not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights either MichMan Jun 2022 #52
The Constitution says nothing about SPECIFIC guns. Novara Jun 2022 #45
And the Constitution says nothing about SPECIFIC types of speech Abnredleg Jun 2022 #71
Meaningless symbolism.... brooklynite Jun 2022 #14
Wrong way to go. 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #16
Actually ... PTWB Jun 2022 #24
Where is the clause against mandating 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #26
Did I say anything about liability insurance? PTWB Jun 2022 #29
It is a violation of the First Amendment ripcord Jun 2022 #31
That type of liability insurance would be very cheap. MichMan Jun 2022 #25
They don't do that in NC dsc Jun 2022 #78
Liability insurance doesn't pay for criminal acts NickB79 Jun 2022 #33
People here will just say make the payouts part of the same law MichMan Jun 2022 #41
actually it does in some cases dsc Jun 2022 #80
ANY legislation will be argued as restricting gunz. paleotn Jun 2022 #43
So what? Isn't that the fucking point? Novara Jun 2022 #46
Yes. My point is, the gun humpers will whine, throw fits... paleotn Jun 2022 #66
I completely agree Novara Jun 2022 #104
Thank you. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #115
No insurance company is going to issue policies that cover illegal acts. nt EX500rider Jun 2022 #49
It is about insuring individuals for damages caused by guns (including unintentional damages). waterwatcher123 Jun 2022 #98
Bingo now you get it. 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #118
I agree that the insurance angle is a much better way to go. Raising taxes can be used against us Ferrets are Cool Jun 2022 #69
Tax the guns, the ammo and the components that make them. C_U_L8R Jun 2022 #18
I want all semi-automatic rifles banned, not just military style weapons, we don't need them. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #21
What about semi automatic handguns? MichMan Jun 2022 #27
Absolutely. paleotn Jun 2022 #65
If only NickB79 Jun 2022 #68
Yep. They're poised to go all "wild west".... paleotn Jun 2022 #72
Bad news NickB79 Jun 2022 #34
As for handguns, Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #51
So when a bank robber is firing a long gun at officers you want them to fire bean bags back? EX500rider Jun 2022 #110
So... you're pro street justice. Mr. Evil Jun 2022 #117
Haven't ruined my day EX500rider Jun 2022 #119
FYI, a double action revolver fires each time the trigger is pulled. n/t yagotme Jun 2022 #138
Because you don't go up against someone with a real gun with just a beanbag shotgun or 40-mike-mike. Jedi Guy Jun 2022 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Jun 2022 #23
Chris Rock is for bullet control IronLionZion Jun 2022 #28
Classic! In It to Win It Jun 2022 #35
I certainly hope this passes. 1000% tax would keep most from buying these killing machines. Stuart G Jun 2022 #37
ssdd RaDaR63 Jun 2022 #44
I can't believe a sitting lawmaker would suggest something already determined to the unconstitional ripcord Jun 2022 #53
The Constitution prohibits laws that prevent people to have guns so this will be unlikely to cstanleytech Jun 2022 #54
Any bill that says anything can be introduced at any time. LiberatedUSA Jun 2022 #57
What about a reasonable user tax for victims funds? Captain Zero Jun 2022 #94
Sure. LiberatedUSA Jun 2022 #97
Good. Snackshack Jun 2022 #58
Would this Rebl2 Jun 2022 #59
Not a chance DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2022 #60
Correct Rebl2 Jun 2022 #63
I doubt this could even pass the House. In It to Win It Jun 2022 #62
True Rebl2 Jun 2022 #64
Arm the rich!!! johnp3907 Jun 2022 #70
What about declaring some guns as being military grade.... RicROC Jun 2022 #73
The SC has held that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right Abnredleg Jun 2022 #74
Ive been wondering that Locrian Jun 2022 #75
Militia has been defined in Title 10 of the U.S. Code, Section 311 EX500rider Jun 2022 #111
No, don't tax firearms Pyryck Jun 2022 #77
The constitution says nothing about the number of guns you can own. 3825-87867 Jun 2022 #82
What problem does that solve? Zeitghost Jun 2022 #144
$20,000 is a bargain Turbineguy Jun 2022 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy Jun 2022 #84
Problem is, there are way too many already out there FakeNoose Jun 2022 #87
They should hire 10X more agents..... Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #102
Okay, so I make a new rifle, the BS-16 krispos42 Jun 2022 #89
Ah, I came here to say this (nt) Recursion Jun 2022 #93
It's clever but they'll just release the "BS-16" next week to avoid it (nt) Recursion Jun 2022 #90
Dance around it as much as they can packman Jun 2022 #92
SCOTUS has already ruled on this ripcord Jun 2022 #95
What SCOTUS ruling is that iemanja Jun 2022 #107
Punative taxes aren't allowed as a way to suppress an individuals rights. ripcord Jun 2022 #108
Poll taxes iemanja Jun 2022 #109
I think you mean "guns are not a right in my mind" EX500rider Jun 2022 #114
Yes, I realize this is a country built on violence iemanja Jun 2022 #122
Poll taxes EX500rider Jun 2022 #116
Poll taxes are not ammunition iemanja Jun 2022 #121
And the Court ruling should be obvious EX500rider Jun 2022 #124
There are already taxes on guns iemanja Jun 2022 #129
Sure EX500rider Jun 2022 #133
So why do you feel the need iemanja Jun 2022 #136
It is a discussion board, I am pointing things that are impossible.. EX500rider Jun 2022 #146
Yet you only seem to discuss iemanja Jun 2022 #152
I suppose if you only look at my last 20 or so posts but I discuss all types of things. EX500rider Jun 2022 #156
I see iemanja Jun 2022 #157
Oh no!!! lol whatever, you might want a hobby. EX500rider Jun 2022 #160
What kind of gun control legislation Hav Jun 2022 #165
Well EX500rider Jun 2022 #169
And I think for real results EX500rider Jun 2022 #171
Coincidentally, Rep. Beyer announced he wont be running for re-election. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #100
The vast majority of citizens iemanja Jun 2022 #123
I'll wait for the survey data on 1000% increase in cost. SYFROYH Jun 2022 #145
What gun owners ever vote for Democrats? Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #135
Gun owners will iemanja Jun 2022 #137
Do you believe sarisataka Jun 2022 #140
Ahem. Im a gun owner. AR15, AR10, and a few others on the AWB list SYFROYH Jun 2022 #143
"What gun owners ever vote for Democrats?" EX500rider Jun 2022 #149
But none of them iemanja Jun 2022 #153
Pointing out what won't work or is unConstitutional is far from opposing EX500rider Jun 2022 #161
Nice try. iemanja Jun 2022 #162
Interesting, I was thinking about this today..... Fla_Democrat Jun 2022 #182
Do it. gldstwmn Jun 2022 #112
Secret Trump fans not liking this one. Kingofalldems Jun 2022 #125
Secret Trump fans not thinking for a minute about this one... brooklynite Jun 2022 #128
Disagree iemanja Jun 2022 #131
I think that secret Trump fans (do they exist?) would love Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #134
Yep iemanja Jun 2022 #130
I don't think they give a shit because this has no chance of passing. Kaleva Jun 2022 #167
So only the rich can have guns... Zeitghost Jun 2022 #139
Not guns iemanja Jun 2022 #155
I believe making anything prohibitively expensive through taxation Zeitghost Jun 2022 #158
why not 10,000% WarGamer Jun 2022 #154
Smart move. roamer65 Jun 2022 #170
After reading this thread I'm going to go out on a limb & say... CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #173
i like the idea moonshinegnomie Jun 2022 #176
Rate of Fire Zeitghost Jun 2022 #177
An auto has a higher rate then a semi-auto which has a higher rate then a bolt action.... Kaleva Jun 2022 #178
All else being equal, that mostly holds true Zeitghost Jun 2022 #180
They do have an effect on the effective rate of fire over a period of time Kaleva Jun 2022 #181
What if the legislation said "X gun cannot fire more than 1 round per second under any conditions" CaptainTruth Jun 2022 #183
IMO Zeitghost Jun 2022 #184
I think your idea has merit and is well worth discussing. Kaleva Jun 2022 #179
Good idea. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2022 #185
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