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Ms. Toad

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33. Did you resesarch them BEFORE you enrolled, or only as an option to switch
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 01:19 PM
Jun 2022

from Medicare Advantage to original Medicare?

Stop implying that those of us who are promoting original Medicare "don't get it," are on grandfathered plans, etc. That's just nonsense. Most of just have a bit of money savvy, or experience with chronic illness, so what we get are the consequences of enrolling in a plan with a large out-of-pocket cap.

I enrolled in Medicare on January 1 of this year - so while I'm **now** already on it, I made my decision during the most recent annual open enrollment period for Medicare Advantage - not years ago when these supposedly much cheaper, much better plans were available. What is available now is essentially what was available 25 years ago when my parents enrolled in Medicare. I'm on a plan one step better than my father's and one step below my mother's (the best supplement plan ever available). My mother's plan is the only option not available to me. That plan was avaialble to my spouse. It would have saved her a grand total of $233 in out-of-pocket expenses each year. For that savings, she would have needed to spend about $300. It makes no sense to spend $300 to save $233. So that super-fantastic grandfathered plan is not even a loss, at all, for anyone handy enough with a calculator or mental arithmetic to multiply 12 by the ~$50 higher monthly premium.

I rejected Medicare Advantage plans because I am not willing to accept up to (currently) potentially $11,300 in out of pocket expenses each and every year until I die (the cost for declining original medicare during your once-in-a-lifetime enrollment period). A $0 premium plan is only affordable if you have the ability to pay the deductible, coinsurance, and copays for the actual care you use. All cost comparisons need to include both premiums (Part B and either MA premium OR the supplement premium) and your share of the actual medical expenses. As noted in an earlier post - at 6 months, because my out-of-pocket costs are capped at $233 for the entire year, I have already saved about $300 (total costs) over the $0 premium Medicare Advantage plan. That savings will only grow as I continue to be provided with no-additional-cost medical care (for which, under a MA plan, I would continue to accrue costs until I hit the out-of-pocket max of $4,500 on the plan I used for comparison purposes).

It IS unaffordable to try to switch AFTER enrolling in Medicare Advantage. That is by design, because Medicare supplement premiums would be unaffordable if you could just go without insurance until you really needed it. That design is poorly implemented - since even very bright, very educated people have a hard time deciphering the consequences of opting out of original Medicare.

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should have never happened , but raygun wanted it . so did the insurance cos . AllaN01Bear Jun 2022 #1
Reagan destroyed so much jimfields33 Jun 2022 #32
NO. And we will lose votes because of this. I can't afford traditional Medicare. Jaypal should Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #2
I'm 13 years from Medicare but I do know a lot of people on Medicare advantage jimfields33 Jun 2022 #7
That is only if you are low income and have won of the older plans...and believe me Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #17
I work in a hospital where I exclusively handle Medicaid. xmas74 Jun 2022 #37
There is no $25.00s for groceries in any current plan. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #51
Yes there is. I promise you there is jimfields33 Jun 2022 #59
You have a point, but there are things that need to be fixed karynnj Jun 2022 #9
You add up Medigap, Part B (which my Advantage plan gives me back $100.00) Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #18
There are not copays and out-of-pocket (beyond a small deductible) unless you choose them. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #34
That is simply untrue. The best plans start with about $400 per month...they can be way Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #53
The best plan currently available Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #54
Medicare...now the plans I saw except or high deductible G were on average $200. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #58
Please provide even a single plan which is over $200. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #60
Are you aware that some Medigap plans have no out of pocket limits? Did you Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #25
What does that have to do with regulating Medicare advantage? karynnj Jun 2022 #35
You don't really understand. People like me are buying advantage because we simply can't Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #52
Reread what I wrote karynnj Jun 2022 #56
Thanks for helping to bankrupt real Medicare so it goes away for all. House of Roberts Jun 2022 #14
I guess I should fall on my sword and not have health care so all of you can 'save' Medicare. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #19
Sounds like you're on a Medicaid subsidy House of Roberts Jun 2022 #26
I have Medicare Advantage and they charge no premium, and pay $100.00 of my Part B and Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #30
Depending on your income xmas74 Jun 2022 #39
Actually, I have used my Advantage plan for heart issues that were caused by Covid...and I Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #50
Then you were lucky. xmas74 Jun 2022 #57
Stop repeating false claims about original medicare Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #31
They would be replaced with far better options. But, none of this will happen anyway, the for profit Celerity Jun 2022 #46
I think at the very least the name "Medicare" shouldn't be allowed as a name for Advantage Liberal In Texas Jun 2022 #3
I'm more concerned about the advertising and heavy sell - Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #38
it's all very confusing and they don't tell you enough when you are 64 Tree Lady Jun 2022 #40
Virtually every place takes Medicare. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #43
Medicare could do a better job defining what they offer in comparison. kentuck Jun 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #5
I researched the plans extensively and Medicare is becoming more and more unaffordable. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #8
Medicare has to go up as the Advantage plans steal from it. House of Roberts Jun 2022 #15
I don't think that is true. I looked online and I see a Thom Hartmann article and much written Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #27
Did you resesarch them BEFORE you enrolled, or only as an option to switch Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #33
I don't have an 11,000 deductible first of all...it is just over $1200. And the savings on Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #49
I compared plans as I wanted original Medicare when I go on it, but it was too much money. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #20
One risk pool is a health care system. Multiple risk pools is an investment scheme. Ron Green Jun 2022 #6
I Love My Medicare Advantage Plan as Do Millions of Others Indykatie Jun 2022 #10
Folks always love getting more than traditional Medicare House of Roberts Jun 2022 #16
Well that will be your fault as well won't it...it seems you think keeping original Medicare Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #23
I never advocated keeping Medicare as it is. House of Roberts Jun 2022 #28
Well it seems to me it should be updated and improved first so that millions of people don't Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #29
The problem is kcr Jun 2022 #36
I am progressive and I agree...why not call for improvements on original Medicare instead of Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #21
I agree...the ones I have asked about their plans are grandfathered in on better rates than Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #24
Nonsense. Ms. Toad Jun 2022 #41
If you have a plan...like G for example...you can still have and are grandfathered in... Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #44
Keep in mind that the plans are very different now than they were when said 94 year old Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #47
Yes, yes, fucking yes! Magoo48 Jun 2022 #11
End it now. nt Hotler Jun 2022 #12
You don't have the votes...thank God. Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #22
I agree. Medicare Advantage and ACO REACH should be ENDED. NOW. CousinIT Jun 2022 #13
Medicare coverage should be expanded so that Advantage plans are not needed...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2022 #42
So extend it. Until then leave Advantage alone as millions depend on it and if you look at Demsrule86 Jun 2022 #45
...K&R... spanone Jun 2022 #48
And.....? brooklynite Jun 2022 #55
If it stops all of those Medicare spam/commercials at enrollment time, I'm all for it. NCLefty Jun 2022 #61
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