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Zalatix

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Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:50 AM Jan 2012

Here is how America is making the Third World a better place with Globalism. Congratulations! [View all]

America uses 30% of the world's resources, so we need to send more jobs overseas.

So, let's take a look at all the great things we're doing for the poor outside of America by outsourcing our jobs!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/world/asia/beijing-journal-anger-grows-over-air-pollution-in-china.html

The ceaseless churning of factories and automobile engines in and around Beijing has led to this: hundreds of flights canceled since Sunday because of smog, stores sold out of face masks, and many Chinese complaining on the Internet that officials are failing to level with them about air quality or make any improvements to the environment.


http://www.salon.com/2006/04/10/ewaste/
More than 50 percent of our recycled computers are shipped overseas, where their toxic components are polluting poor communities. Meanwhile, U.S. laws are a mess, and industry and Congress are resisting efforts to stem "the effluent of the affluent."

A parade of trucks piled with worn-out computers and electronic equipment pulls away from container ships docked at the port of Taizhou in the Zhejiang Province of southeastern China. A short distance inland, the trucks dump their loads in what looks like an enormous parking lot. Pools of dark oily liquid seep from under the mounds of junked machinery. The equipment comes mostly from the United States, Europe and Japan.

For years, developed countries have been exporting tons of electronic waste to China for inexpensive, labor-intensive recycling and disposal. Since 2000, it’s been illegal to import electronic waste into China for this kind of environmentally unsound recycling. But tons of debris are smuggled in with legitimate imports, corruption is common among local officials, and China’s appetite for scrap is so enormous that the shipments just keep on coming


http://www.cmu.edu/homepage/collaboration/2007/summer/outsourcing-pollution.shtml
Rising U.S. Trade May Increase Carbon Emissions

A rise in global trade has researchers wondering about the potential impact on future climate policy.

A recent Carnegie Mellon study finds that the United States may be reducing its own carbon emissions by importing goods from countries that are creating even more emissions in the production process than the United States would have originally.

Making a desktop computer in China, for example, can generate up to three times the carbon dioxide emissions as making the same desktop computer in the United States.


http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/how-big-deal-outsourced-pollution
How Big A Deal Is Outsourced Pollution?

It's fairly straightforward to measure how much carbon dioxide a given country is emitting within its own borders. Just count the factories and power plants and cars and so forth and tally up all that pollution. But what about outsourced emissions? After all, the United States and Europe consume a whole bunch of goods manufactured overseas, and those emissions usually get chalked up to developing countries like China. So who bears the responsibility here?

It's a dicey question, though the first step is to get a handle on how much carbon pollution actually gets outsourced. And the answer seems to be: quite a bit. A new study by Steven Davis and Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science finds that the United States outsources about 11 percent of its emissions abroad, while Japan outsources nearly 18 percent and European nations outsource anywhere from 20 percent to 50 percent of their emissions—most of it to developing countries. On the flip side, nearly one-quarter of China's emissions, for instance, go into making goods for other countries.


Outsourcing Global Pollution to India - Vandana Shiva


http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/08/19/us_castoffs_resuming_dirty_career/
TURNERS FALLS -- Some townspeople in this 19th-century mill village on the Connecticut River celebrated when workers began tearing down a shuttered coal-fired power plant this year. First, they dismantled the towering boiler. In June, the smokestack that belched hundreds of thousands of tons of heat-trapping gases into the air came down. Last month, workers hauled away the five-story steel skeleton, leaving just a concrete silo as a reminder of this local icon of global warming.

But the demolition is hardly a victory in the battle against manmade climate change.

Virtually every piece of the 2,600-ton plant is being shipped to Guatemala to be rebuilt, girder by girder, to power a textile mill that sells pants, shirts, and sportswear to the United States. It could last, and continue to pollute, for another 50 years.

From 4-ton trucks to 40-ton boilers, US vehicles and equipment are finding a second life in developing countries -- postponing meaningful reductions in greenhouse gas emissions by inefficiently using energy or directly emitting carbon dioxide.


http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-energy/the-hypocrisy-of-outsourcing-pollution.html
Joseph Kahn and Mark Landler of the New York Times do a great job of reporting on the dirty little secret: the west is getting cleaner air and generating less greenhouse gas because we have outsourced it to China. They follow a major steel plant in Dortmund, where ThyssenKrupp sold it to the Chinese, who came over and dismantled it, and reassembled it in Handan. "They worked day and night," said Erwin Schneider, a spokesman for ThyssenKrupp. "They could never have done it that fast if they were governed by German labor laws."

Now Dortmund, which went through a bit of a recession as it lost 40,000 steelmaking jobs, has a performing arts complex being built out of two old blast furnaces, and the Ruhr is a capital of culture. In Essen, a depleted coal mine has been converted into a museum and performing-arts center. In Bochum, a 105-year-old gas-fired power plant is now used as a concert hall, its vaulted roof providing professional-quality acoustics.

In Handan, citizens "live in a miasma of dust and smoke that environmental authorities acknowledge contains numerous carcinogens....People do not eat outdoors, to avoid having black briquettes flake their rice."Hangang knocks 10 years off people's lives."

The next time we pat ourselves on the back for reducing carbon emissions or complain about China, we should look in the mirror first; on a global scale we haven't reduced anything, we just moved it.



The next time you meet someone who believes in globalism, be sure to share these proud achievements of "free trade" with them!
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K & R Thank you for posting! think Jan 2012 #1
What ProSense Jan 2012 #2
Thanks for the info! Zalatix Jan 2012 #5
That's capitalism for ya. PETRUS Jan 2012 #3
Race to the bottom, BAYBEE!!! Edweird Jan 2012 #4
+1 proverbialwisdom Jan 2012 #6
Your message is working. Repubs/teabaggers are already on your side and the far-right in Europe pampango Jan 2012 #7
TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC. You said absolutely nothing about the environmental hazards of offshoring. Zalatix Jan 2012 #8
If you're proposing new global rules on the offshoring of environmental problems, I'm with you. pampango Jan 2012 #13
China would never abide by global rules. Americans must abide. Zalatix Jan 2012 #14
Maybe someone should point out to them that thier party strongly supports these agreements. dawg Jan 2012 #9
Excellent News unlawflcombatnt Jan 2012 #24
Ouch... STUNG!!! Zalatix Jan 2012 #25
You're welcome. Just have to work on those darn Democrats. pampango Jan 2012 #49
What did Candidate Obama say about "Free Trade" in 2008? bvar22 Jan 2012 #10
I've been arguing that we've outsourced Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #11
Thanks Shankapotomus, I'm just getting into this myself. Zalatix Jan 2012 #12
Usually it's thought of as the cheap labor treestar Jan 2012 #20
Let's be realistic. Boojatta Jan 2012 #28
And a special thanks to Wall St investors raouldukelives Jan 2012 #15
Thanks for posting this txlibdem Jan 2012 #16
Great truth in this post. Thank you. jwirr Jan 2012 #17
Starting another thread on the same subject treestar Jan 2012 #18
Another thread, yup. Got a problem with that? Get used to it. America's getting tired of this. Zalatix Jan 2012 #19
What is the solution? treestar Jan 2012 #21
You just want Americans to keep losing jobs. That's why you keep replying. Zalatix Jan 2012 #22
What is the solution? treestar Jan 2012 #26
No answers for you. Ever. Because you always avoid my questions. And now you're off-topic, too. Zalatix Jan 2012 #29
What difference does it make what I said 180 posts ago 33 threads ago? treestar Jan 2012 #38
You admit you can't take responsibility for what you said, and that is the problem here. Zalatix Jan 2012 #41
good for you... well done fascisthunter Jan 2012 #52
"What is the solution?" Boojatta Jan 2012 #31
Is there at present no such law? treestar Jan 2012 #39
This is about cutting pollution. You know, reducing that 30% usage of the world's resources Zalatix Jan 2012 #43
I have not shown any such thing treestar Jan 2012 #46
You are still showing your inability to take responsibility for what you said. Zalatix Jan 2012 #47
Disagree all you want. If you really cared about all your talking points you'd have realized Zalatix Jan 2012 #48
What's worse is you run away every time I ask you to show some sympathy for America's poor Zalatix Jan 2012 #23
Of course I sympathize with America's poor. treestar Jan 2012 #27
You sympathize with America's poor? How? Zalatix Jan 2012 #30
Tariffs are the Solution unlawflcombatnt Jan 2012 #32
substituting cleaner, regulated US production - well said. Zalatix Jan 2012 #33
OK. treestar Jan 2012 #34
You're off-topic again. This thread is about how offshoring is destroying the environment. Zalatix Jan 2012 #35
Well if you bring up a problem, you can be generally asked for a solution. treestar Jan 2012 #36
We can't create a pollution-free China, but we can cease to contribute to pollution in China Zalatix Jan 2012 #42
How is that to be carried out? treestar Jan 2012 #44
You're still running away from what you previously said. I told you I won't let you do that. Zalatix Jan 2012 #45
No guarantee that US pollution standards aren't reduced when that happens, though Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #40
K&R Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #37
More ways we're making the Third World a better place! Zalatix Jan 2012 #50
kick Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #51
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