General Discussion

markie

(24,021 posts)

23. we never give up

Sat Jun 11, 2022, 01:34 PM

Jun 2022

I am not saying there is no hope, just that we cannot pretend that what they believe and/or want to impose on the rest of us is ok.

I would rather educate than 'impose' but it is true that many will never see things as you and I do (as well as the majority of people)...

seriously, our biggest problem is that power has been manipulated and we really are looking at minority rule and that can't hold.

Somehow, we must change the Electoral College and Gerrymandering, we must challenge all the new voting rules and make it easier (and dare I say sexy) to vote, we must do a better job educating our kids, so many things we could and should do...

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

74 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Do you want the country to be united? [View all] nolabear Jun 2022 OP

United with who? 58Sunliner Jun 2022 #1

You can weigh in on that. Who'd you unite with? nolabear Jun 2022 #10

I'm against uniting with traitors. /eom Xoan Jun 2022 #2

That's an epithet. What about the right who aren't? nolabear Jun 2022 #6

I am not for uniting with those CrackityJones75 Jun 2022 #53

Seems reasonable to me. nolabear Jun 2022 #57

I find myself wishing Lincoln Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #70

If today's repubs weren't a propaganda poisoned cult, sure. NewHendoLib Jun 2022 #3

So it depends on how far into the cult-right they are. nolabear Jun 2022 #7

At this point, I am in a no repub at all frame of mind. NewHendoLib Jun 2022 #27

I'm not convinced unity is possible. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #4

What is, then? What do we do? nolabear Jun 2022 #8

What I do depends on what my goal is. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #30

That is likely the best option. nolabear Jun 2022 #58

I want to be clear -- my cash donations are not to candidates or the Democratic Party. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #62

I would prefer that it was not united if under the rule of Republicans. Chainfire Jun 2022 #5

Would the goal be to divide literally then? nolabear Jun 2022 #9

Not necessary; just redraw the lines on the map. ;) Chainfire Jun 2022 #21

No chainsaws? 😄 nolabear Jun 2022 #59

And who would get the military and the nukes? Pyryck Jun 2022 #16

Not if it means sacrificing trans kids and other human rights. No way. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #11

I agree completely. The question is what do we do? nolabear Jun 2022 #15

Is it an imposition to enact laws opposed by racists, zealots and fools? Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #46

I do think Abrams and Blow try hard to broaden their supporters though. nolabear Jun 2022 #54

Thank you and I sincerely wish you good luck. Duncan Grant Jun 2022 #65

I understand that. Hopefully we on the left can have unity. nolabear Jun 2022 #67

No.No interest in uniting with those type of people. They have shown time and time again they will Autumn Jun 2022 #12

What do we do? nolabear Jun 2022 #17

Maybe we need to find a way to have national elections on the major issues Autumn Jun 2022 #43

That's so...reasonable. nolabear Jun 2022 #45

of course, I want the Country to be United markie Jun 2022 #13

I agree with all you've said. nolabear Jun 2022 #18

we never give up markie Jun 2022 #23

BOY do I agree with that! nolabear Jun 2022 #26

I don't care any longer. BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #14

Complicated. Which America? nolabear Jun 2022 #19

The functioning republic part BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #20

I know it doesn't. It's disheartening. nolabear Jun 2022 #28

Incidentally I think this is a good thread idea BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #22

In my "real " life, I am forthemiddle Jun 2022 #24

You're much like I am. nolabear Jun 2022 #31

"No politics today" forthemiddle Jun 2022 #39

Depends on what united means. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #25

Maybe I wasn't specific enough. nolabear Jun 2022 #33

This is indeed a good discussion. One more point...with the current NewHendoLib Jun 2022 #29

I honestly never thought I'd be as anti-Capitalism as I am. nolabear Jun 2022 #35

All the self aggrandizing weaknesses would exist under any other sysetm. Hortensis Jun 2022 #56

Not if it means tolerating fascism. roamer65 Jun 2022 #32

Yes, if that's the only choice I agree. Would you take refugees? nolabear Jun 2022 #38

Yes. roamer65 Jun 2022 #40

Me too. nolabear Jun 2022 #44

They are still sane. roamer65 Jun 2022 #50

No one who voted for Trump is sane. Mr.Bill Jun 2022 #71

We are talking anti-Dump conservatives. roamer65 Jun 2022 #72

I don't think it's possible anymore. CrispyQ Jun 2022 #34

WW2 proved we can't compromise with fascists. roamer65 Jun 2022 #37

That's the trouble with cultism. nolabear Jun 2022 #41

We're seeing it on a global scale, too, as a collective. CrispyQ Jun 2022 #47

I don't see it happening. You would think that on the left coast MenloParque Jun 2022 #36

I'm just outside Seattle and lived there for years. nolabear Jun 2022 #42

Put Pisswig on trial for treason. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #48

It might. I fear martyrdom, but I don't see an heir. nolabear Jun 2022 #60

Yep, the country can unite around shared principles and it needs to gulliver Jun 2022 #49

I like that. I think of it as the toddler principle. nolabear Jun 2022 #61

I don't think it has to be treestar Jun 2022 #51

I would like the other side to see the light krawhitham Jun 2022 #52

That would be the hope. To be the light they need to see. nolabear Jun 2022 #55

The desire for unity in itself isn't the problem kcr Jun 2022 #63

Unity? You can't have unity without compromise and that doesn't mean we give up 75% of what we want Vinca Jun 2022 #64

That's a broadbrush question. So I can only answer in a broadbrush way -- not on their terms as I KPN Jun 2022 #66

I made it broad brush on purpose so we'd get various replies to discuss. nolabear Jun 2022 #68

Partisanship and the inability to discuss are killing us Sympthsical Jun 2022 #69

Such a good, thoughtful reply. nolabear Jun 2022 #73

No. GoodRaisin Jun 2022 #74