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Lonestarblue

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71. Interpreting someone else's comments without the full information is always fraught with the
Mon Jun 20, 2022, 07:00 PM
Jun 2022

possibility of misinterpretation. Like you, I don’t know what exactly Rep. Clyburn was hinting at, but I have made several comments here about the perceived slowness of the investigation. I have believed from the beginning that Garland should have appointed a Special Prosecutor to immediately investigate January 6 and the attempts by anyone to instigate the efforts to prevent Biden from taking office. That he didn’t and that we are sitting here a year and a half later does not inspire confidence that anything is being done other than prosecuting the people who were on video violently assaulting those trying to protect the Capitol and the building itself. Indeed, the suspicion is that Garland did not want to investigate the higher ups because of potential political fallout and only started to do so because of the revelations of the January 6 Committee. If so, that means many more months of investigation and testimony before anything will happen, at which point we could be running into a presidential election with Donald Trump as a candidate.

We now know that there is a grand jury because Peter Navarro was summoned to appear at the end of May, but he is the only one known to have been subpoenaed so far. One person who was not even the closest one to Trump. We do not know whether people much closer to Trump have also been summoned, such as Mark Meadows, John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Pence, Ginni Thomas, White House aides, anyone who was regularly in the White House to January 6. That sort of information tends to leak because people talk, and it is Navarro who released his summons to the news media. Navarro refused to appear so his trial is not scheduled until several months from now. And there’s DOJ’s refusal to hold Mark Meadows in contempt for refusing to cooperate with the January 6 Committee, thus stymying part of its investigation.

There are so many questions to which we have no answers, such as who provided the inside information about which windows were vulnerable. We know some investigations are going on, and
I’m sure Rep. Clyburn knows far more about what is happening than I do, but I interpret his remarks to mean that the DOJ is moving at a snail’s pace and he wants to see some public progress. He’s questioning whether the DOJ has the right people on the job. Again, a Special Prosecutor would have been able to choose people outside the DOJ and thus outside the Trump orbit to do this investigation. That he didn’t lends credence to the suspicion that people inside the DOJ are slow walking the investigation because certainly all the Trump/Barr hires were not fired. Most of the US Attorneys were asked to resign, but most of the US Attorneys would have nothing to do with this investigation. I have long believed that members of the FBI are primarily Republican—again, just speculation on my part based on past actions like those of the NY FBI that fed negative information to Rudy about Clinton’s emails—but that is not evidence that they are hampering the investigation.

The apparent lack of progress by the DOJ causes a great deal of concern for many people, and I suspect Rep. Clyburn may simply be voicing his concern publicly because he too is frustrated and hopes to light a fire under Garland. Garland is certainly not a politician, but he is a top official in the Biden administration and the lack of any obvious progress in holding anyone other than the foot soldiers accountable for the very serious crime of insurrection can lead many people, myself included, to wonder whether Garland has the guts to investigate and possibly indict a former president. Garland’s lack of any indictments of the planners of January 6 has allowed Republicans the bullhorn for 18 months with no pushback other than various Democrats denying that the election was stolen. That, too, must gall Rep. Clyburn because he knows the likelihood of losses in the midterms and wants to see some progress before then. And then we have a presidential election where Trump could be the Republican candidate. Too many people fear that he will get a pass simply because it’s too difficult to prosecute a former president.

Truth onecaliberal Jun 2022 #1
There it is. BlackSkimmer Jun 2022 #2
I'm not sure what that means. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #3
The DOJ's mission statement is not to "protect democracy." SoonerPride Jun 2022 #5
Not really an answer to my question. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #6
Because it is up to their discretion whether to prosecute or not. W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #8
Merrick Garland makes such decisions, not Trump holdovers. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #9
Merrick Garland relies on the prosecutors working the individual cases. W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #12
If you can't answer the question I asked, please don't respond. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #15
You've had the question answered for you multiple times now. W_HAMILTON Jun 2022 #22
I'm not naive at all. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #24
I recognize your frustration. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #39
Why wouldn't the tweet be accurate? It was a quote taken from his appearance on CNN. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #16
Ummmmm, not really. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #17
Clyburn's reasoning is that the DOJ has too many right wingers in it SoonerPride Jun 2022 #18
And does that hold up against the reports that most of the Trump era attorneys at DOJ are gone Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #19
Yes. It sure does. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #20
Which isn't an answer to a question. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #40
None of the Trump era holdovers have authority over the J6 investigations/prosecutions Fiendish Thingy Jun 2022 #50
Police don't have to protect people. DOJ doesn't have to defend democracy. JanMichael Jun 2022 #28
Look at history inthewind21 Jun 2022 #4
Excellent reality check. un-redacted Mueller report??? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #35
+2 nt Grasswire2 Jun 2022 #67
+1 leftstreet Jun 2022 #66
This isn't a case of hunkering down and trying to survive hard times. Solly Mack Jun 2022 #7
Yes indeed Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #33
I'm anxious like all the rest. EndlessWire Jun 2022 #10
Yup. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #36
Grand Juries return indictments on a simple-majority-rule basis. Justice matters. Jun 2022 #51
Barr didn't do shit when he was AG. milestogo Jun 2022 #11
So for a prosecution this big and this important Garland can't figure out if someone under him jalan48 Jun 2022 #13
ahhh... Our very own 'deep state' conspiracy... Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #14
Oh yah we are at each other because pwb Jun 2022 #27
They should have cleaned house and removed the Trump trash after inauguration dalton99a Jun 2022 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #41
Clyburns statement means nothing. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #25
Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #26
Clyburn presented no evidence in that statement. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #31
Even if Rep. Cluburn presented evidence you would dismiss it anyway. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #37
Brilliant post. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #42
It's interesting that Clyburn's lack of evidence is seen as fatal to his claims Orrex Jun 2022 #74
I think it means what it says. Doesn't appear too complicated. However... Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #32
Garland inherited a snake pit. Looking at you Bill 'nothing to see here/ Barr. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #34
Does anyone here have solid information about how many Trump hold-over attorneys Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #38
They don't have to have been appointed by trump/Barr to be a right winger SoonerPride Jun 2022 #44
So literally no answer to the question asked. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #53
No. Snarky comments and false insinuations of ulterior motives Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #57
"The approach?" Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #60
I thought this was a discussion forum Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #62
Apparently not. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #63
No, but according to the OP they are going to block the investigation into Trump. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #46
I highly commend you and others for engaging the doom and gloom crowd here, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2022 #64
This would all go away if we had any indication that DOJ is doing anything about Trump Orrex Jun 2022 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #47
I know, Trump and his inner circle should have been indicted the moment Garland took office. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #49
Prosecutors who follow the rule of law build cases before they go indicting people. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #52
I know, I was being sarcastic. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #54
Sorry that I misinterpreted your post. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #56
No problem. fightforfreedom Jun 2022 #58
Interpreting someone else's comments without the full information is always fraught with the Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #71
Thank you for the substantive reply. Just A Box Of Rain Jun 2022 #72
Ha!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2022 #65
Yeah, except that it's entirely nonsensical. Orrex Jun 2022 #69
Perhaps you can show me any place on the entire internet where I've made that assertion? Orrex Jun 2022 #68
More Concerned With Jury Composition Colbert Jun 2022 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #75
The Big Difference Colbert Jun 2022 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #78
It's not an either or. Prosecuting bad actors shows where the system weaknesses are meadowlander Jun 2022 #73
IMO DOJ has never been interested in imprisoning rich white politically-connected people pecosbob Jun 2022 #76
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