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Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
9. Secession is not a "thing"
Tue Jun 21, 2022, 10:17 AM
Jun 2022

There are some outstandingly dumb people in Texas who were, wrongly, educated that Texas has a right to do so.

They are incorrect, and this issue was decided long ago in Texas v. White 74 U.S. (7 Wall.) 700 (1869)"

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

The US Constitution is not a long read. it is organized into Four principal Articles, addressing:

I. Congress

II. The President

III. The Courts

IV. The States

The remaining three articles deal with amendment, ratification, and a few miscellaneous items.

Under Article IV:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"

For the US to guarantee every State a republican form of government, the US retains jurisdiction over each state, and hence they cannot secede without the consent of the rest of the country.

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They can't secede. TwilightZone Jun 2022 #1
Not really. SoonerPride Jun 2022 #2
The GOP in the remaining USA would never reach a majority again C_U_L8R Jun 2022 #3
Right. It is the opposite of the 'liberal dream' of California becoming its own country. The kelly1mm Jun 2022 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jun 2022 #32
Same ramifications Zeitghost Jun 2022 #4
I heard from a good friend of a friend that those leftyladyfrommo Jun 2022 #5
Are we talking with or without leprechauns here? underpants Jun 2022 #6
Always with... Hugin Jun 2022 #10
Some of those little people have nasty temperaments. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2022 #12
Yeah underpants Jun 2022 #13
... Buns_of_Fire Jun 2022 #7
Are you kidding? Hugin Jun 2022 #8
Secession is not a "thing" Effete Snob Jun 2022 #9
Forts Hood, Bliss, and Sam Houston underpants Jun 2022 #11
I think the tx legislature puts out all this stuff, secession, anti LBGQT, President Biden not PortTack Jun 2022 #15
No, Texas can't legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #16
Of course they can't legally do it, but they've been regularly ignoring the Constitution Ocelot II Jun 2022 #24
How would they be stopped? The courts PortTack Jun 2022 #25
But if they claim they've seceded, they'd claim the US courts Ocelot II Jun 2022 #28
They have no legal recourse to seced, therefore like it or not they are still part of the system PortTack Jun 2022 #38
I don't know, but I say good luck... Bluethroughu Jun 2022 #17
They can't secede, but I wonder if many companies will now avoid Texas DavidDvorkin Jun 2022 #18
None. Businesses are moving there in droves jimfields33 Jun 2022 #29
This could change that. DavidDvorkin Jun 2022 #31
Wouldn't it be nice though to get all of the Texans out of our United States government. Walleye Jun 2022 #19
And representatives could be allocated to Bettie Jun 2022 #36
We have enough military bases in TX to make any attempt short-lived. Gore1FL Jun 2022 #20
The last time they seceded 600,000 Americans were killed in a war. NNadir Jun 2022 #21
Like a 9 year old stomping their feet and threatening to run away purr-rat beauty Jun 2022 #22
So, maybe the answer is to close every federal facility Bettie Jun 2022 #37
This is just a gimmick to drive up GOP voter turnout in November Fiendish Thingy Jun 2022 #23
yes Skittles Jun 2022 #43
If they actually did it? To start, Texans would suddenly become illegal aliens in the US. tinrobot Jun 2022 #26
It is ideological wankery and fascist cheerleading. Thomas Hurt Jun 2022 #27
I suppose the TX Lege could pass a resolution: Girard442 Jun 2022 #30
Just something to fire up the red meat conservatives and to get us talking about something onenote Jun 2022 #33
Red meat for the base only. haele Jun 2022 #34
For them? JustAnotherGen Jun 2022 #35
I think we would just leave the bases there. Sogo Jun 2022 #47
If you count potential hurricanes, televangelists, and Tesla... nolabear Jun 2022 #39
I think they are a net taker of Federal funds usajumpedtheshark Jun 2022 #40
They receive $1.20 in funding for every $1 they pay the federal government Victor_c3 Jun 2022 #45
Well, two less Repuke US Senators would be a nice result! Scottie Mom Jun 2022 #41
Secede no, we should expel them from the union 48656c6c6f20 Jun 2022 #42
Probably equal to the ramifications of the threat of Russia invading France DFW Jun 2022 #44
Seems like many here say they can't seceded legally. Sogo Jun 2022 #46
Aww what the hell let them go and take DeSantis ArnoldLayne Jun 2022 #48
The areas around Houston, DFW, Austin, El Paso, & San Antonio would apply to become States Bucky Jun 2022 #49
No it's a completely knee jerk reaction. Initech Jun 2022 #50
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