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lees1975

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40. I think it is important to know what the Founding Fathers did and why...
Sun Jun 26, 2022, 10:43 PM
Jun 2022

but also take note of the fact that many of them were intelligent and educated enough to understand that the constitution they were writing would easily become dated and fixed, and they provided for the means to amend it as necessary, and in accordance with what they saw as the political wisdom of their day.

I've studied and taught American history, enough to have explored the details and read multiple authors from multiple perspectives. They not only recognized the potential for changes in society, but they experienced it and were profoundly affected by it. They were perceptive enough to take the time to let things develop, once independence was secured, to let community leaders come to the realization that their existence could still easily be threatened by the British, French and Spanish powers which still had a presence on the same continent. They were fortunate that the fourteen years between independence and the adoption of the constitution did not result in one or two, or more, states being picked off by foreign invasion.

Deference to the "founding fathers" by originalists is a backward move that runs contrary to the whole idea of an amendable constitution. Even making that kind of change is next to impossible, and would be completely so in our current political atmosphere. They saw Christianity as a state-controlled institution, not a personal religious belief and there is no ideological reference to democracy as an ideal of a so-called "Christian nation." Democracy doesn't come from Christian influence or the Bible, it was the result of the influence of the Enlightenment. The Christian church of their day was elder-ruled, and elders were chosen by the consensus of a small group of the more active and committed male members of a church.

So, if the founding fathers were alive today...

They would approve of the popular election of the President and the abolishment of the antiquated, outdated, provincial and backward electoral college, which was the result of a long-gone fear of monarchy.

They would, in most cases, be completely favorable toward racial equality and the participation of all citizens, regardless of their race or ethnicity, in the government.

They would be horrified with the political divisiveness that has developed, the non-negotiating, "winner take all", steal advantage if you can't win it Limbaughism that has created political gridlock.

They would be horrified at the way the Supreme Court has been completely politicized.

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Food for thought Bayard Jun 2022 #1
A political framework is one thing. Long dead men dictating social norms is another thing. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #2
Every framework is created by people who will eventually be long dead. thesquanderer Jun 2022 #11
I could argue the framework is lousy. It let a crime syndicate take over our government, Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #23
That's true - our constitution was experimental at the time. harumph Jun 2022 #25
I am only second generation American, and we have paid our dues. Would love to leave. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #31
No it wouldn't. Phoenix61 Jun 2022 #5
re: "The branches of government would still exist" thesquanderer Jun 2022 #15
Who said anything about voiding the constitution? Phoenix61 Jun 2022 #16
The way the thread reads... thesquanderer Jun 2022 #33
Literally my post. Phoenix61 Jun 2022 #35
Right, I just read it differently from how you intended it. thesquanderer Jun 2022 #38
No it wouldn't. How so? There's nothing in the KPN Jun 2022 #12
How about since there is no agreed on interpretaion edhopper Jun 2022 #13
Well, no. malthaussen Jun 2022 #26
The Constitution was written by white men for white men, and mostly for property owners. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #29
"The Republican Party bent on achieving power anyway it can." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2022 #37
This group of Republican Fascist DENVERPOPS Jun 2022 #36
Constitution was supposed to be a "living" document with renewal by elections on a rolling basis bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #3
Yup, Magoo48 Jun 2022 #24
The founders would have revolted against Donnie. unblock Jun 2022 #4
George III's mental deficiencies weren't even as bad nt Shermann Jun 2022 #21
What people tend to forget (or even not realize) MissMillie Jun 2022 #6
Excellent point. benfranklin1776 Jun 2022 #14
Alito doesn't know history, doesn't know science, mnhtnbb Jun 2022 #27
We certainly have a perverse, dysfunctional, fucked-up system of democracy dalton99a Jun 2022 #7
Democracy? Dunno anymore. calimary Jun 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #10
Every military officer is required at some point to read "The Art of War" Haggis 4 Breakfast Jun 2022 #39
The US was not designed as a Democracy. MarcA Jun 2022 #30
Yeah, but we don't want to. Obviously. OldBaldy1701E Jun 2022 #9
Well, you know what? A lot of the so-called Founding Fathers were members of The Hellfire Club. Texin Jun 2022 #17
Franklin a libertine edhopper Jun 2022 #18
Benjamin Franklin gave instructions on at-home abortions in a book in the 1700 kskiska Jun 2022 #19
He probably improved on the technique. He would have needed to. He had a lot of practice. Texin Jun 2022 #20
Around 40 years ago, when Philadelphia was digging up some land near the river for construction... malthaussen Jun 2022 #28
Yes, yes, and yes. Magoo48 Jun 2022 #22
It's about the "Founding Fathers" . . . AverageOldGuy Jun 2022 #32
Amen! Loge23 Jun 2022 #34
I think it is important to know what the Founding Fathers did and why... lees1975 Jun 2022 #40
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