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27. At the risk of being flamed for being heartless and cold, I have a question about this article....

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 06:37 PM

Nov 2012

The article states the two boys "...were sucked away by floodwater after Mrs Moore's car stalled and became stuck just before 6pm on Monday near the 400-block of Fr. Capodanno Boulevard in South Beach".

If you pull up this address on Google Maps, you will discover the 400-block of Fr. Capodanno Blvd. is a road cutting east to west through the South Beach area facing the Lower Bay. There are what appears to be condos on the north side of the road and a large parking lot on the south side between the road and the ocean. This area was being absolutely hammered by Sandy at 6:00 pm and got much worse very quickly.

It is absolutely tragic that she lost her two sons, but what in the world was she doing driving with her two sons along this road NEXT TO THE OCEAN when a mandatory evacuation order had been given earlier in the day?? Did they go down there simply because they thought it would be fun to watch the big waves coming in?

I meant to add that this is the Daily Mail, a media outlet in the UK known for sensationalizing stories and outright lying in some cases. They have been sued many times and have never won as far as I know.

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Not everyone was a good neighbor in Sandy...Mother refused help, children found dead in storm.. [View all] HipChick Nov 2012 OP

My god! PatSeg Nov 2012 #1

Terrible. Jennicut Nov 2012 #2

From the same ilk that refused to let Katrina victims walk across Miss. River bridge to safety KeepItReal Nov 2012 #3

Heartless. I don't know why, but I knew when I clicked the link, the mother was black panAmerican Nov 2012 #4

But you do not know from the DM story the race of those who snagglepuss Nov 2012 #26

Sounds a little like the Kitty Genovese case Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #40

It was worse because it people walked by him as he lay in the street. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #45

Not the Kitty Genovese story. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #52

Not sure of your point. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #58

Say what you want, but I'm betting race is a factor. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #51

You are going to jump to a conclusion with no facts whatsoever. You sound snagglepuss Nov 2012 #60

I once knocked on a door in the Bronx to ask for help & got nothing but a voice through the door KittyWampus Nov 2012 #108

I hope those vile people never sleep again magical thyme Nov 2012 #5

She Shouldn't Have Been Out In The First Place SoCalMusicLover Nov 2012 #6

Even though there was no hope for the kids.. ananda Nov 2012 #7

We don't know if race was involved. I remember a snagglepuss Nov 2012 #14

Yeah... or... harmonicon Nov 2012 #70

paraphrasing someone from our past . . . she didn't know what she didn't know. ellenfl Nov 2012 #22

My God to this. Darth_Kitten Nov 2012 #28

This area was under a mandatory evacuation order. No, they shouldn't have.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #31

"She should have left much earlier in the day".... Really? underseasurveyor Nov 2012 #53

+1. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #109

really? SemperEadem Nov 2012 #67

you heaven05 Nov 2012 #69

So SoCal, would YOU want to read what you just wrote about YOU drynberg Nov 2012 #91

I'm glad you feel Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #97

They're just not going to get over this. lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #8

That is absolutely barbaric. I am nauseated. Butterbean Nov 2012 #9

If there's a hell..... RagAss Nov 2012 #10

Yeah, pretty much. And hopefully they'll also experience a good bit of it... Barack_America Nov 2012 #21

That is beyond horrific. There is another story at DM about a woman whose snagglepuss Nov 2012 #11

were they ABLE to heed the advice is the question SemperEadem Nov 2012 #94

The women who lost her two sons was a nurse who owned snagglepuss Nov 2012 #106

yeah, a car that stalled--not much better than having no car SemperEadem Nov 2012 #111

They both had ample warning and the means to leave way before the storm hit. snagglepuss Nov 2012 #112

Most people aren't going to risk their life for a stranger. LisaL Nov 2012 #12

How Awful. . . BigDemVoter Nov 2012 #13

Calling 911 would have sufficed panAmerican Nov 2012 #17

If that was indeed a mandatory evac. area then no police would have responded in the height of the NotThisTime Nov 2012 #19

Taking a look at the Evacuation zones and Google, hedgehog Nov 2012 #25

Excellent points. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #32

Would 911 even responded if this happened in the midst of the storm? snagglepuss Nov 2012 #23

not in a mandatory evac. zone NotThisTime Nov 2012 #74

No, and they shouldn't have obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #98

Heartbreakingly tragic. AtomicKitten Nov 2012 #15

Somebody posted about it the other day and it's been haunting me ever since. Barack_America Nov 2012 #59

OK. I'm from Chicago and I don't believe it. atufal Nov 2012 #16

I have my doubts as well. Mariana Nov 2012 #33

Are you crazy? Check ALL the news stories. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #47

The UK Daily Mail finds out much. It's ONLY a MAJOR news vehicle. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #50

Me either obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #93

I don't understand defacto7 Nov 2012 #18

So you would jump into water and drown for a stranger? LisaL Nov 2012 #20

I have risked my life for a stranger, and would do so again. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #24

Well, in my experience, most people are nothing like you. LisaL Nov 2012 #29

must suck to live in your world, then... SemperEadem Nov 2012 #95

She asked them to call 911, it's easy if you try SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #54

911 might not show up in mandatory evacuation zones. LisaL Nov 2012 #75

a little too broad of a reply for me... defacto7 Nov 2012 #76

The reality was that nothing could be done, anyway. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #64

No way, my friend and I were talking about that time, he had gone out in that area for a brief NotThisTime Nov 2012 #73

At the risk of being flamed for being heartless and cold, I have a question about this article.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #27

From the New York Post - hedgehog Nov 2012 #36

6pm was the brunt of it. slutticus Nov 2012 #57

You could be right... defacto7 Nov 2012 #84

I live an hour north of Staten Island, and I am in NYC all the time. lindysalsagal Nov 2012 #30

I hope the schmucks who refused to help her see this... ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #34

Another woman was burned to ashes while neighbors watched on ecstatic Nov 2012 #35

There was no way for them to help unless somehow they could have found some hedgehog Nov 2012 #37

1. What was she doing? ...and 2. How was anyone supposed to "help" her.... PavePusher Nov 2012 #38

True. There was no way for anyone to help in that situation. Even 911 responders. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #65

There are some things that are impossible. defacto7 Nov 2012 #80

how were they supposed to help in this case ? it's not even a matter of giving your life JI7 Nov 2012 #41

DID YOU EVEN READ THE OP? SHE BEGGED THE FIRST GUY TO CALL 911. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #49

yes, now read the post i replied to which is a different case JI7 Nov 2012 #56

How do you they didn't? Furthermore I doubt that emergency responders would have snagglepuss Nov 2012 #61

I would not try to save someone who was connected to a live wire malaise Nov 2012 #42

I would (the live wire thing) FSogol Nov 2012 #96

I need to take first aid lessons on that malaise Nov 2012 #103

You would push a DOWNED LIVE UTILITY WIRE away with a rolled up newspaper? KittyWampus Nov 2012 #110

No way to effect a rescue safely nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #44

This is heartbreaking. BUT, I don't feel you can blame the neighbors for not coming - lynne Nov 2012 #39

She was asking them to call 911. HARDLY "coming out". WinkyDink Nov 2012 #48

911 couldn't respond or get to her. Not in any sort of reasonable time span, anyway, if at all. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #66

I would hope they would have called 911 - lynne Nov 2012 #71

911 wouldn't have responded at that time. Lone_Star_Dem Nov 2012 #72

Hindsight is 20/20 defacto7 Nov 2012 #83

There are scads of psychological studies that explain this nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #43

I'm calling it now: RACISM. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #46

I'm not going to say anything good about this incident Aerows Nov 2012 #55

Doesn't surprise me at all demhottie Nov 2012 #62

Staten Island is also overwhelmingly REPUBLICAN. That explains a lot. smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #63

I live in Bay Ridge Brooklyn, which is on the other side of the bridge from SI. I do not go there... hrmjustin Nov 2012 #68

Kids most likely drowned before anyone could try to help. LisaL Nov 2012 #79

True! Very sad story. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #82

They could have at least TRIED demhottie Nov 2012 #85

Of course but there was a lot they could have done former-republican Nov 2012 #86

I wonder if any of them were among the ones that were pleading for help on tv today...? BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #77

That story would have went differently in the country. former-republican Nov 2012 #78

That's utterly offensive. You don't know jack about cities, and that's obvious. n/t susanna Nov 2012 #89

Yup. Country folk would have shot her. ieoeja Nov 2012 #104

Cowards...these are the same assholes who seem to think they need to buy up bread and milk... RagAss Nov 2012 #81

The children most likely died shortly after being ripped from their mother's arms. Kaleva Nov 2012 #87

Without even seeing her picture, I knew she was a woman of color bermudat Nov 2012 #88

Just saw the asshole on CNN Separation Nov 2012 #90

This is disgraceful... HipChick Nov 2012 #92

OMFG. I hope karma kicks him when he's down, and I hope it's with a steel toed boot. Butterbean Nov 2012 #102

Here's the CNN Interview .99center Nov 2012 #99

sad.. HipChick Nov 2012 #107

From what I can see. mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2012 #100

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