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Sympthsical

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14. At what point does this denial become conspiracy thinking?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:55 PM
Jul 2022

They exist. I've seen them with my own eyes and experienced them in the Bay Area. I don't usually argue with people heavily armed with, uh, Twitter and google, but this is such a ridiculous statement to make.

Were they involved in Jan. 6th? No, of course not. But they are an actual thing.

Every time someone says, "Antifa doesn't exist!" I begin to wonder why this blatant, highly provably false statement needs to be repeated so often. What is this reinforcing? What ideological purpose does this bizarre falsehood serve?

We're people of facts and reality or we're not.

Antifa exists. They grew out of other left-wing movements like those who existed during the economic protests in the 90s and 00s. Sometimes they're militant and violent. Sometimes not. They kind of get meshy and indistinguishable from groups like Black Bloc and By Any Means Necessary. When looking at left-wing professional protesters, it can get very fluid and amorphous about who belongs to what and where.

And I'm speaking from my own experience and my own witness. I think anyone who has lived in the Bay Area more than six months has stories about them.

Are they the biggest problem before us? No. Not by a long way. They are certainly not the Great Enemy the Right would have one believe.

But pretending they don't exist entirely, repeating that, trying to spread that. Why? It's so easily disproven. Just stop saying this ridiculousness. It's a pure credibility loss for no useful purpose whatsoever. It makes us look really weird.

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About the Antifa bullshit [View all] Cyrano Jul 2022 OP
They want to create a false equivalency that does not exist. Bluethroughu Jul 2022 #1
The first sentence of this essay is WRONG FakeNoose Jul 2022 #2
x1000 BlueIdaho Jul 2022 #4
Antifa is 90 years old and was founded in Germany in 1932 LeftInTX Jul 2022 #6
✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️ live love laugh Jul 2022 #8
At what point does this denial become conspiracy thinking? Sympthsical Jul 2022 #14
Agreed. They are not what the Right Wingers say they are, but there is such a thing. Caliman73 Jul 2022 #19
Exactly, it's an easy one stop shop villain for the Right Sympthsical Jul 2022 #23
One of the reasons that further left and Antifa types are universally disliked... Caliman73 Jul 2022 #24
I started getting into Che Guevara lately Sympthsical Jul 2022 #26
+100 Celerity Jul 2022 #28
Too many semantic games with the terms anti facist and antifa uponit7771 Jul 2022 #38
FakeNoose Is Correct. n/t Different Drummer Jul 2022 #33
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #37
Check your third paragraph. It draws the wrong conclusion. brush Jul 2022 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #36
When I am talking to known Republicans/Libertarians, my "joke" about Antifa is this: KarenS Jul 2022 #5
We're meeting at four behind Old Man Johnson's barn cyclonefence Jul 2022 #7
I'll be there, wearing a red carnation, and my Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #51
Antifa is made up BS. If there was an Antifa it was Emile Jul 2022 #9
Absolute nonsense. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #11
You do know NAZIS were fascists? Emile Jul 2022 #12
Antifa is/was anti-military LeftInTX Jul 2022 #13
Not true. They folded into the German Communist Party and ran East Germany Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #22
I do. The original German Antifa helped the Nazis come to power. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #15
Anybody who fought the Nazis were against fascists. Emile Jul 2022 #17
I guess you didn't bother to read it. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #18
From the wiki ... "Antifa is not a unified organization..", some are playing a semantic game when uponit7771 Jul 2022 #39
Antifa fought the liberal German Social Democrats as their main political enemy. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #49
The MAGAt king and his worshipers are constantly using bullshit propaganda about Antifa Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #46
I'm not remotely "helping them" and falsely saying otherwise is a slur and personal attack. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #48
Simple: Antifaschistische Aktion Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #50
My grandparents fought in WW2 were democrats and by default being American born antifa rockfordfile Jul 2022 #34
Being anti-fascist and Antifa are not synonymous terms. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #35
+1, RIGHT !!! People are playing the rights semantic games uponit7771 Jul 2022 #40
Antifa had nothing to do with this shooting. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #10
Bray also said: Baked Potato Jul 2022 #20
Some of their actions involve violence and some do not. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #21
Semantics uponit7771 Jul 2022 #41
I think I have seen two people call themselves AntiFa. One was a big black dude at Charlotesville brewens Jul 2022 #16
Antifa actually exists Progressive dog Jul 2022 #25
I've seen Antifa flags with my own eyes. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #27
Thank you for being Tickle Jul 2022 #29
I haven't seen them do bad. maxsolomon Jul 2022 #30
I didn't know about Tickle Jul 2022 #31
It makes us look ignorant and backward LOL LeftInTX Jul 2022 #32
Recommend. Fuck fascism. I'm a staunch anti-fascist, and don't know anyone who belongs to Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #42
Are you aware that the original German Antifa was the KPD? Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #43
That's horseshit. Why are you so actively invested in trashing anti-fascism, and anti-fascists? Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #44
Did you did not read what I actually wrote? Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #45
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