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former9thward

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94. Fine, eat it.

Sat Jul 9, 2022, 06:51 PM

Jul 2022

CA and the SW in general did fine before the U.S. invaded. We can do well now without it. The predictions about running out of water "soon" go back before I was born and still have not come true.

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I heard another person saying California needs to cut farming to save water [View all] ripcord Jul 2022 OP

I have better idea outlaw lawns Tree Lady Jul 2022 #1

+1000 roamer65 Jul 2022 #2

I agree riverbendviewgal Jul 2022 #3

Even in Michigan, with our abundance of fresh water... roamer65 Jul 2022 #5

im looking to xeriscape my yard in texas moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #8

Smart move. roamer65 Jul 2022 #14

Same Here ProfessorGAC Jul 2022 #25

Lawns are a waste of water Wolf Frankula Jul 2022 #28

I said that after I read a flyer Tree Lady Jul 2022 #72

Lawns and vegetation have a cooling effect in neighborhoods. Mosby Jul 2022 #84

Trees are better. Wolf Frankula Jul 2022 #90

No one suggests doing away with all vegetation. Mariana Jul 2022 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author riverbendviewgal Jul 2022 #4

And golf courses. maveric Jul 2022 #6

And get rid of avocados and almonds. jimfields33 Jul 2022 #11

we absolutely should not live w/o almonds and avocados AlexSFCA Jul 2022 #20

Sorry. But you are going to have to sacrifice the most environmental destructive jimfields33 Jul 2022 #57

Twice as much water is required to produce a pound of beef than a pound of almonds Mysterian Jul 2022 #123

HOAs need overhaul jimfields33 Jul 2022 #10

Once upon a time when I lived in Texas during a bad drought Mariana Jul 2022 #98

This. My yard (front and back) is brown and d-e-a-d, there are at least four houses on my block LoisB Jul 2022 #19

Oh I agree 100% KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #27

absolutely!!!!!!! Takket Jul 2022 #42

A credit for desert landscaping ChazII Jul 2022 #132

its not so much the farming as it it was they grow moonshinegnomie Jul 2022 #7

So who is going to pickup the production of the 5 billion pounds of rice California produces? ripcord Jul 2022 #13

Actually, Arkansas produces the most rice in the USA Trailrider1951 Jul 2022 #24

But CA is second LeftInTX Jul 2022 #128

Exactly. Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2022 #36

Cotton and almonds are no longer viable dry clime crops sanatanadharma Jul 2022 #9

Don't for get the water sucking evil avocado jimfields33 Jul 2022 #12

never! avocado haters AlexSFCA Jul 2022 #22

I actually like them but I know they destroy the environment as well. jimfields33 Jul 2022 #58

wrong, people destroy the environment not avocados AlexSFCA Jul 2022 #82

Avocados need alot of water LeftInTX Jul 2022 #129

They may take my life Sympthsical Jul 2022 #66

Avocados can be grown in Florida Rstrstx Jul 2022 #85

Naw Lil Liberal Laura Jul 2022 #15

With Mead and Powell drying up, life in the Southwest is going get a LOT more "interesting" soon. roamer65 Jul 2022 #16

Or channeling water from the Mississippi River either. I've heard of such crazy schemes before, SWBTATTReg Jul 2022 #43

IMO...California shouldn't decommission Diablo Canyon NPP. roamer65 Jul 2022 #46

Do you live close by? Hekate Jul 2022 #95

Desalination requires a lot of energy. roamer65 Jul 2022 #96

How do you propose to pipe the wet stuff from the shore to the mountains? We are a mountainous Hekate Jul 2022 #99

If Los Angeles could provide enough deslanization ripcord Jul 2022 #116

The Los Angeles Aqueduct is a gravity fed system, no pumps. hunter Jul 2022 #117

The water is pumped over the Tejon Pass of the San Gabriel Mountains ripcord Jul 2022 #119

Southern California is supplied by three major aqueducts... hunter Jul 2022 #121

The reason Owens Lakes was one of the worst disasters was that was a saline lake ripcord Jul 2022 #122

I'm sorry. You can't embrace the "American Dream" and expect your masters won't ask you to relocate. hunter Jul 2022 #124

Los Angeles builds enough desalanization plants to be self sufficient ripcord Jul 2022 #125

Nukes Chuuku Davis Jul 2022 #131

Almonds and pistachios are a problem. JanMichael Jul 2022 #17

Lets face it ripcord Jul 2022 #18

That's true as well. It isn't any one thing. And ultimately it may depopulate. JanMichael Jul 2022 #21

People have been joking about the suggestion of building a pipeline from the Mississippi to Cali ripcord Jul 2022 #23

A pipeline won't do it. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #38

Pumping water thousands of miles and up over 4,000 foot mountains... hunter Jul 2022 #49

It does require a lot of energy, but the idea is not insurmountable. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #64

California recovers a lot of that energy on the downside. hunter Jul 2022 #73

It isn't coming from the Great Lakes basin. roamer65 Jul 2022 #50

Money trumps EVERYTHING in this country. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #59

Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting. roamer65 Jul 2022 #65

No doubt! A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #69

You are correct about China. They would just build it. Us though? Nope. JanMichael Jul 2022 #75

The Interstate Highway system was built before the era of environmental permitting. former9thward Jul 2022 #86

So is food. former9thward Jul 2022 #87

We grow food here as well...duh. roamer65 Jul 2022 #89

Fine, eat it. former9thward Jul 2022 #94

I second that. n/t shrike3 Jul 2022 #81

From a dietary standpoint Almond milk is so useful. KentuckyWoman Jul 2022 #30

The only way to feed 330 million people is "factory farming" as you call it. former9thward Jul 2022 #88

This is not helpful metric. Pobeka Jul 2022 #61

Problem with "milk" is cows and and their crap. Not to mention the trucks that moooove them. JanMichael Jul 2022 #74

You are ignoring meat and dairy. hunter Jul 2022 #78

I agree completely in the aggregate. I am a vegetarian 15 years JanMichael Jul 2022 #80

Both almonds & oats have some of the highest glyphosate levels womanofthehills Jul 2022 #118

People used to grow their own food and preserve AKwannabe Jul 2022 #26

People growing their own food is not an option Zeitghost Jul 2022 #76

Sure. While our landscaping is being allowed to die, & our water usage is being scrutinized... Hekate Jul 2022 #97

Exactly how do you suggest that people in apartments, condos, urban niyad Jul 2022 #120

the problem is- use it or loose it. arcane water laws. mopinko Jul 2022 #29

When it comes to wasting water, two words: Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #31

That is 💯 true. roamer65 Jul 2022 #48

Power that is somewhat reliant on water. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #51

Yes, or on fossil fuels. roamer65 Jul 2022 #52

Actually Las Vegas uses much less bluecollar2 Jul 2022 #111

Nobody on this thread mentioned de-salination? Sogo Jul 2022 #32

Some of that is happening, Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #34

California already moves water over mountain ranges. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #45

I'm not saying it's impossible, Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #47

I'm not sure where you live, or if you have ever been to the San Francisco Bay Area... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2022 #54

I grew up in the SF Bay Area. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #62

But that's fresh water. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #53

They recently tried to get a permit to build one in Huntington Beach ripcord Jul 2022 #35

Yes. I think we need to do more work Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #39

It really bothers me to see how much water runs into the ocean from the cement lined rivers in Cali ripcord Jul 2022 #41

LA Times periodically gives an update on the project to restore the LA River to an actual habitat Hekate Jul 2022 #105

Desalinated water is too expensive for farming. hunter Jul 2022 #40

Santa Barbara's desalination plant produces 30% of its water, not all communities can afford this nt AntiFascist Jul 2022 #71

Gas or electric? roamer65 Jul 2022 #102

Apparently electric, it increased the city's electric energy costs 50%... AntiFascist Jul 2022 #115

No CO2 emissions from it. Good use for the plant. roamer65 Jul 2022 #126

It's not like we'll have any choice. hunter Jul 2022 #33

As much as I love red meat and cheese, Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #37

I;m not going to get into this argument... WarGamer Jul 2022 #44

Cannabis plants require one gallon of water a day per pound of useable pot ripcord Jul 2022 #55

Hence the raids by the Sheriff in San Bernardino County (or is it Riverside? sorry) on desert grows Hekate Jul 2022 #106

There was a murder at one illegal grow last week ripcord Jul 2022 #108

Not surprising, I'm sorry to say. These are dangerous, lawless, people... Hekate Jul 2022 #109

True. I've heard one gallon, but even that is huge. Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #56

I have personally stopped buying almond products... Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2022 #60

I stopped buying them because of the cost. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #63

That is what eventually will stop people from buying them and many other things. roamer65 Jul 2022 #68

I never liked them until I had almond milk..LOL LeftInTX Jul 2022 #130

Fortunately, Blue Diamond worked hard to ruin theirs Sympthsical Jul 2022 #67

California should just start exporting its excess to other countries rather than the other states ripcord Jul 2022 #70

How is that going to solve the water shortage? nt. Mariana Jul 2022 #77

We do. Other countries look on us not as Silicon Valley, but as an agricultural resource... Hekate Jul 2022 #100

In 20 years we will be growing a LOT more in the Great Lakes basin. roamer65 Jul 2022 #101

At least cut out almond farming. beaglelover Jul 2022 #79

Maybe somewhere where it rains more. Mosby Jul 2022 #83

Yeah, in my area of Michigan we had a absolute downpour yesterday in my area. roamer65 Jul 2022 #91

I get sick of this argument. Too many people are blissfully ignorant about what California gives... Hekate Jul 2022 #93

Fukushima was a very expensive accident but not an especially deadly one. hunter Jul 2022 #107

Well, at least you are here and have a nuanced view. Thank you for your input. Hekate Jul 2022 #110

I also think it should be kept going and we live in one of the PEZ zones of Diablo Canyon... AntiFascist Jul 2022 #127

Where we are there is no water shortage, I can only remember one period in many years Meowmee Jul 2022 #103

I bought a freehold townhouse and riverbendviewgal Jul 2022 #104

I'm a farmer and I've been reading this thread with interest bluecollar2 Jul 2022 #112

A lot of the solutions you discuss for California are already being implemented. hunter Jul 2022 #113

Thank you for proposing a series of potentially viable solutions! bullwinkle428 Jul 2022 #114

LTE. 1.3 billion pounds of unsold almonds -- that's a lot of water Hotler Jul 2022 #133