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TexasTowelie

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224. Is it a victimless crime if someone is spending money on weed rather than on necessities?

Thu Jul 14, 2022, 04:08 PM

Jul 2022

I think about the fights within my family and within the families of my two BILs, and it is apparent that there are victims. Pretending that others are not affected is denialism and a coping mechanism.

I also recognize that people have medical issues that marijuana may alleviate since I'm in that boat as an amputee. I suspect that there are a far greater number of people that are smoking solely for the purpose of getting high than there are people that have medical/sleep issues. It shouldn't come as a surprise that some marijuana users will rationalize circumstances to justify their behavior--been there, done that, and observed that behavior among other marijuana users.

I'll also point out that there are plenty of marijuana users who are consuming before they go to work. The potential to have "victims" is obvious, particularly in high risk occupations.

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Why the Hell Isn't Biden Ending the Federal War on Cannabis? [View all] JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 OP

I want that too. padfun Jul 2022 #1

Take it up with your Senator Hekate Jul 2022 #28

At least Obama ordered it to be the last thing prosecuted questionseverything Jul 2022 #34

Quit bashing Joe jmbar2 Jul 2022 #2

I'm not "bashing",... JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #5

Pure Biden bashing Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #7

So pointing out facts is "bashing"? Doc Sportello Jul 2022 #12

No it's not. Did he or did he not run on this? nt GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #17

I recall that he ran on "restoring the soul of America" after Trump. TFG left a lot of damage... Hekate Jul 2022 #23

Yeah, and he ran on this too, no? GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #47

No, Biden did not run on unilaterally ending the "federal war on cannabis". lapucelle Jul 2022 #190

Nobody runs "unilaterally" on anything for POTUS. GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #203

So the answer to your question remains "No, Biden did not run on this." lapucelle Jul 2022 #204

He had an ad in which he promised to decriminalize weed. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #209

Candidate Biden promised to "work to to decriminalize marijuana". lapucelle Jul 2022 #214

"Personal pet project"? AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #53

Which of the 30 doctors that you mention in your profile am I speaking with TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #83

Now respond to the second paragraph Lordquinton Jul 2022 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #92

Awful response AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #104

And an awful reply that is inconsiderate of the rights of others and plays the race card. TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #124

+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #126

Bravo inthewind21 Jul 2022 #167

How the hell would legalizing mj infringe on the rights of others Calculating Jul 2022 #200

Is it a victimless crime if someone is spending money on weed rather than on necessities? TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #224

Wouldn't all of that apply to alcohol, gambling etc? Calculating Jul 2022 #230

To begin with, don't insult me by calling me a social conservative TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #235

Social conservative thinking has always been about limiting vices Calculating Jul 2022 #237

LOL. TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #239

Shouldn't people have freedom to grow and use a plant Calculating Jul 2022 #241

More rationalization because of a resentment? TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #242

Thank you for directing me to that info, TT! I didn't know the TOS allowed a consortium to post... Hekate Jul 2022 #243

And, why would 30 doctors use an apostrophe on "doctor's" Maru Kitteh Jul 2022 #256

Is there anyone we can actually ask about that? Hekate Jul 2022 #276

Either Congress or the D.E.A. can reschedule cannabis ripcord Jul 2022 #94

Biden said: "As president I'll work to decriminalize marijuana! Emile Jul 2022 #112

Did he say he'd do it by July 2022? mcar Jul 2022 #157

How long does it take to ask the DEA to reschedule weed? Emile Jul 2022 #158

SMH inthewind21 Jul 2022 #168

No. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #160

See response no. 69 GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #181

Oh. My bad. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #191

Uh huh. He "mentioned it". GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #197

No, Biden did not run on a promise of magically decriminalizing pot through an executive order. lapucelle Jul 2022 #185

Come on. You know I didn't say that. GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #193

Sorry, but that's a distinction without a difference. lapucelle Jul 2022 #202

Sorry, but it's not very convincing. He promised some action. GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #207

Glad it's finally clear that Biden never promised to unilaterally end the federal war on cannibis, lapucelle Jul 2022 #211

I'll look forward to the action he did promise. GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #212

TY, lapucelle Hekate Jul 2022 #245

lol no it's not AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #50

It's bashing to point out something he ran on? BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #121

He ran on legalizing marijuana? BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #159

It was explained elsewhere in the thread. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #178

So he didn't actually run on it then. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #186

Um, he had an ad saying he would decriminalize weed? BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #208

Here ya go. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #182

Nah, you're bashing, & so is the author of the article you quote Hekate Jul 2022 #18

Article should be renamed 'Don't worry about democracy, we need legal weed NOW!!!!' n/t Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #116

Right inthewind21 Jul 2022 #169

you are bashing Shellback Squid Jul 2022 #102

It's "bashgesting' n/t Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #115

Bashing. betsuni Jul 2022 #120

hey joe's got time to go "visit" the saudis he's got time to keep campaign promises at home nt msongs Jul 2022 #11

Ya think he'll get photographed waving a golden saber & caressing a lit-up crystal globe like TFG? Hekate Jul 2022 #24

When did he promise to legalize pot? iemanja Jul 2022 #52

He talked about decriminalization questionseverything Jul 2022 #76

It's literally a matter of a stroke of a pen questionseverything Jul 2022 #25

###Error message Hekate Jul 2022 #29

If our democratic president would do things that are popular questionseverything Jul 2022 #31

That is hilarious, given the politics of this benighted nation Hekate Jul 2022 #38

Over 70% of the nation want it legalized questionseverything Jul 2022 #39

Jesus Calculating Jul 2022 #201

Eo don't expire just because the president changes questionseverything Jul 2022 #37

That's not true. A future president can revoke a previous EO, but it doesn't expire. tritsofme Jul 2022 #46

It's the dea that decides and Biden clearly has authority to direct the dea questionseverything Jul 2022 #74

That is false. Please stop spreading misinformation. Mariana Jul 2022 #251

No. EO's stay active until rescinded. fescuerescue Jul 2022 #253

Yes. But all those efforts are currently not successful fescuerescue Jul 2022 #252

Ending the war on cannabis is not going to impact the 2022 or 2024 elections. TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #3

We need to do it... JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #6

So do we have 60 votes in the Senate so that the bill won't get filibustered? TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #13

There is some interest on the GOP side for changes on cannibis In It to Win It Jul 2022 #15

Its not the 70's robodruid1 Jul 2022 #16

I don't disagree In It to Win It Jul 2022 #21

WaPo article 4 years ago says she no longer opposes legalization Hekate Jul 2022 #35

I stand corrected then In It to Win It Jul 2022 #42

What does your Senator say? Can they go up against Mitch McConnell? Hekate Jul 2022 #30

You don't know that Doc Sportello Jul 2022 #14

Like most elections, the economy and financial issues will take priority over social issues. TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #32

Like most elections there will be close ones Doc Sportello Jul 2022 #40

So what proof do you have that President Biden isn't talking to the legislators about the bill? TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #48

You're veering off topic Doc Sportello Jul 2022 #226

Do you have more current information? TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #233

He could do an eo taking it off the schedule 1 list questionseverything Jul 2022 #41

No way TheFarseer Jul 2022 #19

You couldn't be more out of touch questionseverything Jul 2022 #26

I met up with a young person today. TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #43

They are asking for things he campaigned on and can easily be moved in a positive direction questionseverything Jul 2022 #57

Yes, Biden can sign an executive order TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #68

I'm not so sure about that AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #55

None of that information supports the position that people are more likely to vote for a TexasTowelie Jul 2022 #61

People vote for who best represents them AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #65

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Jul 2022 #81

Cuz he old. dclarston13 Jul 2022 #4

Not funny at all Hekate Jul 2022 #36

Stop Being an Ageist. Cha Jul 2022 #45

"Cuz he old." BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #166

Allow me to elaborate dclarston13 Jul 2022 #261

Bob Marley had it right- Legalize It. Snarkoleptic Jul 2022 #8

It is Peter Tosh Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #10

So did the Feds at one time - 80 years ago Caribbeans Jul 2022 #60

+1 million Arazi Jul 2022 #9

One has nothing to do with the other JI7 Jul 2022 #20

I question why, in the face of all the exigent problems before the world, this one matters. NNadir Jul 2022 #22

Reading thru this thread I get a strong whiff of bothsiderism, among other garbage.... Hekate Jul 2022 #27

People are anxious about paying bills, higher rent, food, gas , covid womanofthehills Jul 2022 #63

Thank you AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #105

Ahhh inthewind21 Jul 2022 #171

Yes, it is important to people who want it legal Calculating Jul 2022 #206

This rote response is tiresome. NNadir Jul 2022 #210

You know how many black people are persecuted over cannabis? Calculating Jul 2022 #215

It probably matters to those incarcerated for pot offenses Doc Sportello Jul 2022 #229

I don't believe that anyone should be in prison for drug abuse, unless, of course, they kill... NNadir Jul 2022 #236

" all signs continue to indicate that his party will be pulverized this fall. " Takket Jul 2022 #33

Trashing this OP! PortTack Jul 2022 #44

I smoke a lot of weed... Ohio Joe Jul 2022 #49

The central issue of our time iemanja Jul 2022 #51

It's not only about getting high AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #56

This is about recreational marijuana, not medicinal iemanja Jul 2022 #59

Wrong AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #62

This is guaranteed to lose voters iemanja Jul 2022 #64

lol Decriminalizing weed will NOT lose voters AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #67

We are talking about a federal election iemanja Jul 2022 #70

So what you are saying is that campaign promises don't matter after you get elected ripcord Jul 2022 #82

No, but how do you propose he decriminalize marijuana iemanja Jul 2022 #88

It doesn't require congressional approval ripcord Jul 2022 #93

I guess you'll just have to vote Republican iemanja Jul 2022 #192

Show me evidence that says it doesn't motivate voters AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #106

Are you seriously arguing that the stoner MAGATS iemanja Jul 2022 #196

No. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #98

You're using it now inthewind21 Jul 2022 #174

Legal cannabis and students loans are becoming pipe dreams ripcord Jul 2022 #54

I'd like to see some evidence the President promised to legalize pot iemanja Jul 2022 #66

Here's a video AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #69

Ok, tell me this iemanja Jul 2022 #72

Hey, bring those goal posts back here! Lordquinton Jul 2022 #87

What am I supposed to admit defeat about? iemanja Jul 2022 #89

Oh, it's the semantic game now Lordquinton Jul 2022 #103

... betsuni Jul 2022 #111

And there it is inthewind21 Jul 2022 #175

Talk about twisting words iemanja Jul 2022 #188

As you were shown above AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #109

That doesn't address the question of how it becomes law iemanja Jul 2022 #194

Right?! herding cats Jul 2022 #58

You know it's possible to multitask and pick the low hanging fruit Calculating Jul 2022 #216

I would say a lot has to do with support from the LE and intelligence communities LT Barclay Jul 2022 #71

It make sense to do it, economic sense. Growers could start using banks instead of buying up yaesu Jul 2022 #73

Good point questionseverything Jul 2022 #80

May I suggest inthewind21 Jul 2022 #176

lol, whatever nt yaesu Jul 2022 #179

I will YoshidaYui Jul 2022 #75

And I'll.... JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #86

Boo hoo. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #164

It's a win/win AdamGG Jul 2022 #77

Taking it off schedule 1 would be so easy questionseverything Jul 2022 #248

It would definitely give us a boost SunImp Jul 2022 #263

To take it off the schedule 1 list doesn't require a vote questionseverything Jul 2022 #264

It's not as simple as waving a magic wand Major Nikon Jul 2022 #78

If it's something that would be popular, then it's politically important AdamGG Jul 2022 #99

That's a question for Congress Major Nikon Jul 2022 #269

He can direct the dea to schedule mj correctly at level 5 questionseverything Jul 2022 #249

The Controlled Substances Act says he can't Major Nikon Jul 2022 #268

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #79

Take it from the Canadian, legalized weed is huge. Steve Canuck Jul 2022 #84

Legalize it now. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2022 #85

How do you propose he do that? iemanja Jul 2022 #90

Have the D.E.A. reschedule it ripcord Jul 2022 #96

Can this be done as executive action without Congress? AdamGG Jul 2022 #101

No Major Nikon Jul 2022 #270

By what legal means? iemanja Jul 2022 #183

It can be rescheduled by Congress or the DEA ripcord Jul 2022 #184

How can Biden do that? iemanja Jul 2022 #198

Yes he can questionseverything Jul 2022 #265

It doesn't work that way Major Nikon Jul 2022 #271

It would probably be easier to get through the House/Senate than voting rights AdamGG Jul 2022 #273

A politician saying "I'll work to" do something isn't But Daddy Promised I Hate Daddy material. betsuni Jul 2022 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #100

Perhaps it's not the top issue in his mind; or on that of the voters? brooklynite Jul 2022 #107

Legalization seems rather popular. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2022 #232

So we shouldn't expect campaign promises to be kept unless they make the top of some imaginary list? questionseverything Jul 2022 #267

When did Biden or Pelosi or Schumer promise to legalize marijuana? brooklynite Jul 2022 #272

Come on Joe, it's on the DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM! Emile Jul 2022 #108

Maybe because he's busy trying to end the war on democracy? Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #110

Is Joe on the Jan 6 committee? Emile Jul 2022 #113

Are you for real? Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #114

Yes, I just pinched myself, I am real! Prioritisation is Emile Jul 2022 #117

Yeah, but I think there may be a few far higher priorities... Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #119

We been hearing excuses for how many years? Please, Emile Jul 2022 #123

Same excuse used for decades to block progress AntivaxHunters Jul 2022 #125

Since when is not having the votes an "excuse"? betsuni Jul 2022 #128

What? Emile Jul 2022 #132

Not. Having. The. Votes. Not. Having. Large. Democratic. Majorities. betsuni Jul 2022 #133

What? Emile Jul 2022 #135

You see, when a party doesn't have enough votes, legislature can't get passed. betsuni Jul 2022 #138

Excuses Emile Jul 2022 #139

... betsuni Jul 2022 #141

It can be rescheduled by the DEA, Congress isn't needed ripcord Jul 2022 #155

Exactly Calculating Jul 2022 #213

What's the huge reason you lag behind the rest of the world? Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #130

Well said PatSeg Jul 2022 #189

Tell that to the 100,000 kids in foster care because their parents are in prison questionseverything Jul 2022 #266

They're not mutually exclusive. Recategorizing weed from being a schedule 1 controlled substance AdamGG Jul 2022 #250

Simple. He is still an anti-weed drug warrior at heart. Everyone knew that when they voted for him. Celerity Jul 2022 #118

Reefer Madness! Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #145

Sweden has not been Tubi-blessed, lol Celerity Jul 2022 #147

Found it on YouTube! Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #148

+1000 Celerity Jul 2022 #149

I didn't know this when I voted for him LymphocyteLover Jul 2022 #227

Decriminalising yes, he would sign, but not at all sure on full legalisation. Celerity Jul 2022 #234

Has anyone given a clear answer yet? superpatriotman Jul 2022 #122

Just excuses. Emile Jul 2022 #127

How so? Since when have Democrats had very large supermajorities? betsuni Jul 2022 #129

What? Emile Jul 2022 #131

Betsuni is referring to the filibuster... Violet_Crumble Jul 2022 #134

Not. Having. The. Votes. betsuni Jul 2022 #136

What? Emile Jul 2022 #137

It's the way the government works. betsuni Jul 2022 #140

It is called an excuse! Emile Jul 2022 #142

How does a party get legislature passed without enough votes? betsuni Jul 2022 #143

Still making excuses! Emile Jul 2022 #144

... betsuni Jul 2022 #146

Why did you post that? Emile Jul 2022 #150

... betsuni Jul 2022 #151

You tube videos will not play on my outdated tablet. Emile Jul 2022 #152

What? betsuni Jul 2022 #154

What? inthewind21 Jul 2022 #177

What? lapucelle Jul 2022 #205

He can do it at the executive level Calculating Jul 2022 #217

Post removed Post removed Jul 2022 #153

I fully support President Biden, but a little Emile Jul 2022 #156

What? inthewind21 Jul 2022 #180

I suspect it's because he has lots of truly important shit to deal with. MineralMan Jul 2022 #161

Excactly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #173

Yeah Calculating Jul 2022 #219

I got mine? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #231

So democrats in red states can go pound sand because Emile Jul 2022 #221

Not my blue state of Minnesota. MineralMan Jul 2022 #223

Yep, it's called priorities PatSeg Jul 2022 #187

It needs to be fixed at the federal level though Calculating Jul 2022 #218

The answer to that and to everything else is MineralMan Jul 2022 #222

Of all the things in the world to hard focus on.. this is not one of them Peacetrain Jul 2022 #162

So it just never gets fixed? Calculating Jul 2022 #220

I think he can squeeze it in between 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #163

Rational drug laws? Mysterian Jul 2022 #165

Trashing...I am sure if we make enough noise about this, Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #170

Should be a low priority, many others more important USALiberal Jul 2022 #172

Justice a low priority? Mysterian Jul 2022 #254

No idea why, it's absolutely maddening Calculating Jul 2022 #195

I think if Congress passes a bill legalizing or decriminalizing pot, he will sign it LymphocyteLover Jul 2022 #228

He is likely working on it, but from behind the curtain. 57sneirno Jul 2022 #199

Like in Oregon, no worries here RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #225

If you show disrespect for President Biden, it encourages disrespect for him. gulliver Jul 2022 #238

This generation of Democrats leaders Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #240

Where's the bill from Congress that he is failing to sign? treestar Jul 2022 #244

He doesn't need a bill 867-5309. Jul 2022 #246

What are his reasons for not doing that? treestar Jul 2022 #257

That's a damn good question 867-5309. Jul 2022 #259

Biden bashing Biden Emile Jul 2022 #255

So how is he not doing that? treestar Jul 2022 #258

When do you think he'll move it up? In his Emile Jul 2022 #260

I agree. End the war NOW, fire Garland, and hire a ecstatic Jul 2022 #247

Careful, this post will get deleted budkin Jul 2022 #262

For all of you who posted that this issue isn't politically important, that it's a low priority... AdamGG Jul 2022 #274

+1000! nt JoeOtterbein Jul 2022 #275

If it was a big issue than Beto O'Rourke would have won the nomination . Also he IS running for JI7 Jul 2022 #277

Who was the last 3 term Congressman to win the Democratic Presidential nomination? AdamGG Jul 2022 #279

+2000 Emile Jul 2022 #278