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hatrack

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17. "These fires" are not what the trees need . . . .
Fri Jul 15, 2022, 10:01 PM
Jul 2022

"These fires" are tinder-dry, overgrown forests exploding in flames and creating their own weather as a result of global warming.

"These fires" produce updrafts so intense that pilots of spotter and tanker planes trying to deal with the fire front approaching Mariposa Grove report tree branches falling from above around their aircraft.

The fire at Yosemite National Park started on July 7th, near the Washburn Trail in the National Park Mariposa Grove area. As of today, the Washburn Fires has burned nearly 4,000 acres. Firefighters are working around the clock to contain the fire and preserve the over 500 sequoias- including the 3,000-year-old Grizzly Giant. A special “ground-based” sprinkler system was installed to increase the humidity around the sequoias to protect them. While the park crew is working to save trees from the ground up, firefighters are tackling the fires from above. Pilots have confirmed dangerous flying tree branches from the fire
Here’s what we know-

Twitter user @Rob_on_sisukas posted some of the radio chatter overheard from firefighting crews on Saturday. In it, one firefighting pilot reports that his plane was almost hit by a tree branch that fell from above the plane. This confirmed that the intense wildfire is also sending debris into the skies. In the audio you can hear the pilot sharing that “a branch went right over the top…probably 50 feet above [them], coming down and falling” right in between another plane and his. The pilot says, “If we keep seeing that, we might have to knock it off. I don’t want to take the chance of busting a window on an airplane or hurting an aircraft for this.”

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https://www.yahoo.com/video/pilots-witness-tree-branches-flying-171917833.html

You've nailed what the sequoia forests need - clearing of undergrowth - and that's exactly what's been done around the Mariposa Grove in the past few years, which is one thing that helped protect the surrounding sequoia groves. The other, of course, is maximum fire crew efforts to protect a famous NPS holding.

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Prescribed burns — most recently conducted in the grove in 2018 — mimic low intensity that help sequoias by clearing out downed branches, flammable needles and smaller trees that could compete with them for light and water. The heat from fires also helps cones open up to spread their seeds.

While intentional burns have been conducted in sequoias since the 1960s, they are increasingly being seen as a necessity to the save the massive trees. Once thought to be almost fireproof, up to 20% of all giant sequoias — native only in the Sierra Nevada range — have been killed in the past five years during intense wildfires.

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https://www.joplinglobe.com/sports/preventive-fires-credited-with-saving-yosemite-sequoias/article_1ecb6393-c57c-51fb-9d8a-91e7600b629c.html

Low-intensity seasonal fires could and should protect California's remaining forests. Whether they can be staged safely in the future looks increasingly unlikely.

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See them while you can, I guess . . . . hatrack Jul 2022 #1
Bristlecone Pines, also ancient trees, are dying by the 1,000s in the mountains above Death Valley hatrack Jul 2022 #2
Maybe groves of sequoia can be started in places that aren't so rainfall-challenged? FakeNoose Jul 2022 #3
Michigan NickB79 Jul 2022 #7
"Parking Lot" by Joni Mitchell: SCantiGOP Jul 2022 #4
If you're going to quote the lyrics, please quote them correctly. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2022 #13
No big deal, but SCantiGOP Jul 2022 #19
I'm old enough to remember when that song came out. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2022 #21
We just can't have nothin! Chainfire Jul 2022 #5
K & R x 1000 Duppers Jul 2022 #6
Canary in the coalmine. Maybe our species will pay attention to this one... Lancero Jul 2022 #8
No they won't Rebl2 Jul 2022 #10
That's the evidence-based conclusion**nm misanthrope Jul 2022 #16
Fuck SalviaBlue Jul 2022 #9
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #22
We humans sometimes really mess up badly. Imagine ...we are at least partly KPN Jul 2022 #11
A little knowledge Botany Jul 2022 #12
Oh, knew about the fire part but not the clouds/fog part. electric_blue68 Jul 2022 #18
Everything that lives eventually dies. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2022 #14
Sequoias Actually Need These Fires... GB_RN Jul 2022 #15
"These fires" are not what the trees need . . . . hatrack Jul 2022 #17
Dammit, reality is moving closer to Silent Running HuskyOffset Jul 2022 #20
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