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Hugh_Lebowski

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58. Fair enough, I'm not proposing my (I guess, strident?) views should be in our political platform

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Tue Jul 19, 2022, 11:56 AM

Jul 2022

I'm just a random Joe commenting on the internet.

And I would make a horrible politician

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I cannot believe that 'when the soul enters the body' is actually part of the abortion debate [View all] Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 OP

NO NO NO!! You are completely missing the point. There is only ONE "True niyad Jul 2022 #1

There is that, I'm with you ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #8

Several faiths are already challenging this in FL Nevilledog Jul 2022 #15

I imagine there will be many challenges from individuals who believe they wiggs Jul 2022 #79

God, I hope so (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #191

When one of our Supremes quotes an old witch-burner as a for-the-ages jurist, & 5 others sign on... Hekate Jul 2022 #84

Wasn't that only Alito's draft opinion? mrsadm Jul 2022 #108

Let me know what you find out. I thought it made it to the final as well Hekate Jul 2022 #122

No, also in the final. That was the first thing I checked. nt pnwmom Jul 2022 #204

Written by the same people who thought that dust blows up into a woman to impregnate them. TheBlackAdder Jul 2022 #96

They knew it was from ejaculation, they weren't THAT dumb (around the time of Jesus I mean) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #124

If sperm is the "seed of life", isn't male masturbation akin to abortion? Solomon Jul 2022 #243

That WAS the religious position for many years, yup Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #245

im so glad im atheist! samnsara Jul 2022 #2

It is all quite ridiculous. Where in the human anatomy is the soul located? brush Jul 2022 #51

What happens when a person receives a transplant? LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #57

I know, right. Is it part of the medical delivery that's... brush Jul 2022 #65

Finally, we discover the reason for the appendix! Xavier Breath Jul 2022 #167

Oh, you might be on to something...but then again...not. brush Jul 2022 #169

Non-believer? Bayard Jul 2022 #3

... Nevilledog Jul 2022 #18

+1000 lindysalsagal Jul 2022 #25

Perfect! pandr32 Jul 2022 #49

The deepest desire of the Christian warriors is to be seated ... sanatanadharma Jul 2022 #73

Welcome to the Republican Theocracy, Hugh Diamond_Dog Jul 2022 #4

You know I feel you sister! Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #52

+1000 n/t cate94 Jul 2022 #60

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Irish_Dem Jul 2022 #5

When soul enters Kentuckykel Jul 2022 #6

Welcome to our DU family. niyad Jul 2022 #9

That is your belief, but not a fact. MineralMan Jul 2022 #12

Proof of the soul Kentuckykel Jul 2022 #125

So, I'm supposed to look it up for myself? MineralMan Jul 2022 #129

No, there is not, and yes they are ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #130

Of course, you realize that your opinion is just as faith-based as the other side relayerbob Jul 2022 #192

You know I love ya Bob (or at least I hope so) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #195

I obviously agree 100% with your points onlaws relayerbob Jul 2022 #214

I'm not trying to force my 'beliefs' onto you Sir Bob ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #220

Your constant attempt relayerbob Jul 2022 #221

Dude, you entirely miss the point, once again ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #226

I love it when people say "they are done" relayerbob Jul 2022 #231

You're hilarious. And I'm done (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #240

The uncertainty principle is not something ... muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #248

Posting opinions on the internet you don't agree with does not constitute "force". Mariana Jul 2022 #239

I agree with you mvd Jul 2022 #207

Absolutely agree. relayerbob Jul 2022 #215

I am Christian and do believe that we have a soul (I think animals do, too, especially our phylny Jul 2022 #218

I'm curious how far down the ladder you think "souls" go. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #230

For me, personally, life-energy exists in everything relayerbob Jul 2022 #242

This is great, we may've reached a consensus around your life-energy theory Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #250

It's a subset of it, yes relayerbob Jul 2022 #251

Are you really curious? Why? phylny Jul 2022 #253

Because I'm trying to understand why some people think Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #254

+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #200

Yes they are Handler Jul 2022 #255

Why don't you provide a link to a source that can prove your assertion? Gaugamela Jul 2022 #13

Because no such link exists, nor does any evidence supporting the existence of a soul. MineralMan Jul 2022 #14

Take a look at PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2022 #166

Why don't you have your God give me a call, since he's real and all? Nevilledog Jul 2022 #20

No, they are not real, there's no such thing as magical/supernatural beings Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #21

The basic laws of chemistry and thermodynamics are already violated by the big bang Calculating Jul 2022 #48

My theory on this ... it's because there was never 'nothing'? Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #83

That's not a correct summation of the Big Bang TiberiusB Jul 2022 #90

I've read where the eternal universe theory slightlv Jul 2022 #133

Great post!!! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #138

Sigh...sorry you're having to respond to this crap in your thread my friend Docreed2003 Jul 2022 #196

Nobody I'd rather party with in the afterlife than you brotha ... if there is one ;) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #197

Oh you had it handled for sure...I just had to eyeroll at some of the responses Docreed2003 Jul 2022 #199

I don't believe in souls -- but I DO believe in trolls. Girard442 Jul 2022 #27

My belief.... JanLip Jul 2022 #33

And I'm not a troll. JanLip Jul 2022 #37

You're welcome to believe whatever you are able to believe. MineralMan Jul 2022 #45

Huh. JanLip Jul 2022 #94

This right here phylny Jul 2022 #219

Did you mean consciousness rather than conscience? Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #67

Further, what is "consciousness'? sanatanadharma Jul 2022 #82

That is a whole other and much more interesting discussion. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #88

What I meant. JanLip Jul 2022 #128

So I think you meant conscience as in a moral function Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #144

Again this is my belief JanLip Jul 2022 #159

I understand it is your belief. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #161

Brain function JanLip Jul 2022 #164

Religion/Faith has a lot of utility in a lot of people's lives Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #212

Against organized religion JanLip Jul 2022 #217

And where would one "read up on" the existence of these undetectable "souls"? mwb970 Jul 2022 #46

How exactly does that work? Is there an off/on indicator... brush Jul 2022 #61

Where in the body is the soul located and how Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #62

And I'm wondering what happens when a person receives a transplant LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #70

Descartes tried to get around the problems Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #85

Right, don't put Descartes They_Live Jul 2022 #92

Brilliant!!! N/T bluecollar2 Jul 2022 #123

Ha ha! Solomon Jul 2022 #249

Your personal beliefs should be respected. luvtheGWN Jul 2022 #66

Why? Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #145

Religion is DIFFERENT you see, cause it's like 'deeply held beliefs' and shit Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #155

Being of Irish ancestry that was recent history. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #158

This is nothing close to a fact. Don't fall prey to the con men. Handler Jul 2022 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Handler Jul 2022 #100

There are more than a "couple" of theories on this: Sogo Jul 2022 #105

And absolutely none of them deserve the imprimatur of the word 'theory' (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #115

don't bother NJCher Jul 2022 #132

Thanks for all y'all putting up with me rants Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #136

Because things happen in people's minds Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #154

The table of contents looks impressive BruceWane Jul 2022 #165

Thanks for taking it up in my stead ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #173

will check into NJCher Jul 2022 #175

bigelow's political contributions NJCher Jul 2022 #177

Wrong again BruceWane Jul 2022 #180

wrong again: you NJCher Jul 2022 #198

I notice you didn't apologize for suggesting BruceWane is a liar. Mariana Jul 2022 #205

with his record of faulty reasoning and using logical fallacies to make his point NJCher Jul 2022 #208

I want to make this perfectly clear NJCher Jul 2022 #209

Don't you think that the man who financed the contest might've PICKED judges Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #216

Lol! Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #153

I'll ask you, too NJCher Jul 2022 #210

Clearly, then many GQPpers should be removed from the planet relayerbob Jul 2022 #7

A most excellent point. niyad Jul 2022 #10

+11 Higherarky Jul 2022 #168

Let's fire up the anti-religious bigotry for another round of snark Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #11

I always wonder sarisataka Jul 2022 #17

I assume there is criticism by-stealth. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #23

I hate the god spew from all politicians. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #35

Hardly anyone cares if religious people refer to their religion. Mariana Jul 2022 #141

This! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #149

It makes me cringe Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #156

Oh, well. I guess we have to entertain the existence of the soul when making public policy. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2022 #24

Yup, you can always count on me for that Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #26

Ah and there it is. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #32

You bet your ass there it is. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #34

You support theocratic fascism? Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #38

Insults in the form of a question are still insults. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #72

Is it ok with you to mock theocratic fascism? Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #139

The OP was not "bigoted", and that's a crappy accusation to make of a DUer muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #74

Nice attempt at "reframing" Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #76

I'm sorry, your post appears to have been cut off muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #80

Lol. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #163

So if you think beliefs are stupid that makes you a bigot? Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #162

Always the threats when we dare to express our opinions. Mariana Jul 2022 #47

& now, a musical interlude, courtesy of the almighty goddess of humor, all praise be Higherarky Jul 2022 #174

+1000 MineralMan Jul 2022 #213

The religious deserve no respect because they are always wanting us to bow to their delusions alphafemale Jul 2022 #91

Bigoted intolerance is not permitted under the board rules (because that behavior sucks). Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #93

Have you reported the posts that you consider "bigoted" and "intolerant"? Mariana Jul 2022 #143

My problem is just with people trying to make THEIR religion Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #147

My belief is Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #222

Absolutely false "reframing." I have made no such arguments. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #223

You are being bizarrely selective. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #224

Criticising political beliefs or the actions of religious figures isn't bigotry. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #232

That argument is just downright nonsensical. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #233

The so-called "ridiculous rules" are written into this websites TOS Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #235

I'm not going to pretend to "respect" beliefs that recently turned me Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #237

We don't have grounds for further discussion. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #238

Not all religious people wish to strip you or anyone else of your freedoms ... Mariana Jul 2022 #241

Exactly. sop Jul 2022 #99

For the record, I'm religious and I agree with you. A lot of white American Christians especially DickKessler Jul 2022 #119

I'm a person of faith and I don't see any anti-religious bigotry here. DickKessler Jul 2022 #114

Poor thing alphafemale Jul 2022 #170

I'm a lifelong atheist, but thanks for the snark. Just A Box Of Rain Jul 2022 #194

I know a lot of these radical anti-choice people Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2022 #16

Like when Reagan nominated Watt for Interior way back when . . . hatrack Jul 2022 #19

Was he the one who was fired for making some horrifically bigoted "jokes?" DickKessler Jul 2022 #117

That was the guy . . . hatrack Jul 2022 #120

Exactly. I was 14 when that happened and that attitude and Reagan's anti-woman religious bullshit Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #225

I remember talking to a Christian many years ago when I first starting meeting some who self captain queeg Jul 2022 #22

When you point out a blatant contradiction they say "That's God's mystery". mwb970 Jul 2022 #44

So their god is not willing to share that mystery with them. LiberalFighter Jul 2022 #77

According to the Bible Mariana Jul 2022 #183

Jesus and God are playing Super Secret Triple Blind Seven Dimensional Chess! Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #228

It's especially hard to come up with explanations under monotheisms. Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #227

That's an interesting insight. mwb970 Jul 2022 #252

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2022 #28

I won't play devil's advocate, sarisataka Jul 2022 #29

There is much confusion malaise Jul 2022 #30

Everybody knows that assholes enter their bodies at "quickening". jaxexpat Jul 2022 #78

Bwaaaaaah malaise Jul 2022 #110

Careful, you might get scolded for mocking religious beliefs. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #31

Consider yourself hereby scolded! Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #54

Please sir, may I have another? Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #55

Yes, I hereby deliver another scolding, this one even harsher than the last Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #64

What did the masochist say to the sadist? Higherarky Jul 2022 #182

Lol ... I was hoping someone would get my joke Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #203

I don't think he's doing that treestar Jul 2022 #56

Well just look up thread. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #59

The delivery needs some work here Calculating Jul 2022 #36

Yeah why treat people like they are grown ass adults. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #41

I thought it was fine. mwb970 Jul 2022 #42

Prove it Calculating Jul 2022 #50

The burden of proof is on those... AnrothElf Jul 2022 #69

That which is posited w/o evidence Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #148

Fair enough, I'm not proposing my (I guess, strident?) views should be in our political platform Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #58

let me explain azureblue Jul 2022 #39

Bronze Age thinking. mwb970 Jul 2022 #40

I've always wondered at the religious root of this... forgotmylogin Jul 2022 #43

Not to quibble, but "immaculate conception" applies to Mary, not Jesus. mwb970 Jul 2022 #87

Interesting, I always thought it referred to Jesus's birth . Thanks for the heads up... Handler Jul 2022 #126

I did too, up until I happened to read a book about Christianity. mwb970 Jul 2022 #150

And the mental gymnastics required to wrap your brain around that is remarkable. bluesbassman Jul 2022 #127

Pretzel logic indeed. mwb970 Jul 2022 #152

The whole antiabortion movement in politics violates the separation clause Warpy Jul 2022 #53

You are overthinking it. Caliman73 Jul 2022 #63

Religion doesn't enter into it-it's a scam Marthe48 Jul 2022 #68

You know... sagetea Jul 2022 #71

I agree, I do not have religious beliefs at all but I do believe Bev54 Jul 2022 #75

Catholics also distinguish between "apparent death" and "actual death" milestogo Jul 2022 #81

If you study quantum mechanics, you will find that it does not prove the "soul" exists, Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #86

Yeah, no I really doubt I would find that, even if I study quantum mechanics Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #97

I didn't write those religions had scientific knowledge about the soul. Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #102

I didn't say you did, I explained why I doubt the fundamental idea in play Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #113

No, it's not "scientifically possible" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #142

Quantum Physics gets rolled out because it Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #160

It is not an immortal soul. What physicists are talking about is energy. Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #178

If it's energy, then call it energy. Mariana Jul 2022 #186

I was trying, but not doing it too well that there is a difference between religious soul Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #189

Define 'soul' and the explain how quantum mechanics Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #140

It is not a soul in the religious sense. Actually, it is totally different. Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #176

I'll wait. Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #179

I was wrong to use the word "soul". Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #187

Ok. So what does energy have to do with this thread? Voltaire2 Jul 2022 #201

Consciousness takes 6-7 months 867-5309. Jul 2022 #89

And I'm amenable to THAT ... because it's at least arguably a legitimate demarcation point Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #116

You are correct... Handler Jul 2022 #95

The question of when the soul enters the body Mad_Machine76 Jul 2022 #101

Agree. txwhitedove Jul 2022 #107

A great alternate summation of what I was trying to say, thanks :) (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #202

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2022 #103

This thread really underscores why religious belief should never be a part of political debate. sop Jul 2022 #104

R'amen Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #211

Fantasy Industrial Complex at Work kairos12 Jul 2022 #106

Given the high failure rate of embryonic development, the religious have to explain why God punishes andym Jul 2022 #109

Oh, that one's easy. Mariana Jul 2022 #146

so God is a republican? DBoon Jul 2022 #185

It's the ultimate "might makes right". Mariana Jul 2022 #206

Right-wingers often say that separation of church and state only protects churches from the state. DickKessler Jul 2022 #111

Me neither. NNadir Jul 2022 #112

It'll get scary when some judge Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #118

Thank God I'm an athiest nt intrepidity Jul 2022 #121

It was central to the Roe V Wade decision Tumbulu Jul 2022 #131

Great post, thx for the history lesson! Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #134

You are most welcome Tumbulu Jul 2022 #137

Yes. I agree with "religious exemptions", Higherarky Jul 2022 #135

Exactly. I can't believe modern people still believe Sky Jewels Jul 2022 #151

You would think that with the medical imaging technology Noodleboy13 Jul 2022 #157

That's what it's about for forced birth Christianity ismnotwasm Jul 2022 #171

K&R spanone Jul 2022 #172

As a PhD Biologist, Texas A&M, I have 2 words for the 'life begins at' debate' Model35mech Jul 2022 #181

Soul is real DBoon Jul 2022 #184

THAT kinda soul ... for sure mr. minutemen Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #190

I avoid those news shows. Progressive dog Jul 2022 #188

The Church of Holy Hateful Wrath (formerly, U.S.A.) shall smite thee, non-believer! Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #193

Always has been. Government of, by, and for the people. Hortensis Jul 2022 #229

Really, the entire question of "ensoulment" is specious. MineralMan Jul 2022 #234

The only thing relevant to this discussion is we shouldn't even be having it GoodRaisin Jul 2022 #236

Hence my complaint ;) (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #244

Women's right to control their own body RANDYWILDMAN Jul 2022 #246

That would be 1st and foremost by a long stretch ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2022 #247